Google: CBS Immigration Poll April 10 ToScrollAroundAt http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm
-TLP --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have been to www.cbs.com and have not yet been able > to find the poll. Any assistance would be welcome. > Especially since the news reports of last week, probably > censored though they were, I am now completely convinced > that we have an invasion problem, not an immigration problem. > If people come here to work and don't take welfare, that is one thing. > If criminals come here to "take back" the Southwest, including Texas, > and "return" it to Mexico, I am reminded of the time that Jesus said to > sell > one coat and buy a sword. > Perhaps I am not that good a Christian but I see no need to allow our > country to be overwhelmed. Again, I recommend Dr. John Hospers' > article "A Libertarian Argument Against Open Borders" > http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_3.pdf > > For life and liberty, > David Macko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:06 PM > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration > > > > Dave, thank you for the good wishes and please accept mine for you > > and yours :) > > > > The scripture you quote below is from the Ten Commandments. Do you > > really beleive that Jesus would say this to those of the currently > > illegal aliens who are just here to live and work? On what basis is > > this a tresspass against others? I'm not referring to criminal > > assaulters (domestic or imported). > > > > I would have thought that the Christ described in the Bible would > > have urged loving compassion rather than hostile rejection of such > > oppressed people. > > > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@> wrote: > >> > >> Thank you. I will check that when I have time > >> and respond to you. > >> Regarding illegal aliens, I think that He would say > >> "Thou shalt not trespass against others". However, > >> I am not a theologian nor even a very good Christian > >> so I do not maintain absolute certainty on this matter. > >> This comment also offers an opportunity to wish you and > >> other members on this list who celebrate it a happy Easter, > >> whether you celebrate this Sunday or on the 23rd. > >> > >> For life and liberty, > >> David Macko > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Terry L Parker" <txliberty@> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:36 AM > >> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration > >> > >> > >> > Dave, go to the CBS web site, examine the poll released by > >> > them on Monday, then let us know your take! > >> > > >> > Btw, regarding currently illegal aliens per se, what would > >> > Jesus do? > >> > > >> > > >> > -Terry Liberty Parker > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I would be interested in seeing the exact wording > >> >> of the poll. Many times poll results are manipulated by > >> >> the manner in which questions are phrased. > >> >> > >> >> For life and liberty, > >> >> David Macko > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Terry L Parker" <txliberty@> > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:00 AM > >> >> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Uncoolrabbit, I'm disgusted by this reasoning :( > >> >> > > >> >> > They are human beings asking to not be made felons for just > >> >> > living and working. Also, CBS poll released this past Monday > >> >> > sez that three quaters of Americans APPROVE the concept of > >> >> > providing currentlly illegal aliens with a path to legality. > >> >> > > >> >> > What fucking political calculation is needed here! > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -Terry Liberty Parker > >> >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > >> > <uncoolrabbit@> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I was talking about it from a political point of view not an > >> >> >> idealogical point of view. I do apreciate local control, but > > I > >> >> > don't > >> >> >> have some phobia of being walled out of Mexico either. We > > agree > >> > on > >> >> >> some things, disagree on others. I am in favor of open > >> > imigration > >> >> > in > >> >> >> theory but there are many issues to adress on the road to > > this > >> >> >> honorable goal. So I stand by my statement that political > > gains > >> >> > from > >> >> >> speaking out on the right thing to do will bring little gain > > if > >> > any > >> >> >> as it would alienate the closet protectionists while failing > > to > >> >> > grab > >> >> >> a substantial chunk of the democratic support. As a whole the > >> > party > >> >> >> would gain little. Individuals stand to gain alot however, > >> >> > especialy > >> >> >> a hispanic libertarian politician who wanted to use the > > moment > >> > for > >> >> >> instant political gains. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Im pro imigration terry, I am just saying it would not cause > >> > long > >> >> >> term increased success for the party at a national level. I > > can > >> > see > >> >> >> it doing alot for the party in southwestern states though. I > > was > >> > in > >> >> >> Texas for almost two years and I will be back there again > > soon, > >> > and > >> >> >> many of the nicest people I knew down there were Mexican > >> > migrants, > >> >> > I > >> >> >> know there not criminals or dangerous people but my stance on > > a > >> >> > need > >> >> >> to document imigrants and migrants remains becasue it is not > >> > only > >> >> >> Latine Americans who cross north over the Rio Grande. If you > >> > look > >> >> >> into past news you might find mention of the 4 Pakistani's > > who > >> > were > >> >> >> aprehended after slipping into Texas, and spent an absurdley > >> > long > >> >> >> time in US custody for being mere ilegal imigrants, as they > > were > >> >> > not > >> >> >> mere ilegal imigrants. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I never said stick our heads in the sand, I said flashing our > >> >> >> tailfeathers wont turn as many heads as the post I replied to > >> >> >> implied. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" > >> > <cottondrop@> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > No you are wrong Uncool Rabbit, libertarians sticking their > >> > heads > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> > the sand or zipping their lips would not be a good > > stradegy > >> >> > move, > >> >> >> > taking a stand would be but it needs to a thought out > > stand, > >> >> >> > immigration is a human rights and property rights issue, it > > is > >> > a > >> >> >> > local issue ( being that you are a green libertarian you > >> > should > >> >> > be > >> >> >> > able to appreciate and communicate the importance of local > >> >> >> control) > >> >> >> > that can preculde Open borders but it does not include the > >> >> > federal > >> >> >> > government having immigration laws especially heavy handed > >> >> >> dracionan > >> >> >> > laws and it is very important that the federal government > > does > >> >> > not > >> >> >> > build my dear Senator Bill Frisk's big wall on the border, > >> > walls > >> >> >> can > >> >> >> > keep people in as well as keep them out.--- In > >> >> >> > [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> > >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > It might have been missed in the intial post... that the > >> >> > massive > >> >> >> > > latino protests are not about imigration. They are about > >> > ilegal > >> >> >> > > imigration. Pro imigration is great, but the right stance > > on > >> > it > >> >> >> > right > >> >> >> > > now won't bring the political success imagined as the > > right > >> >> >> > approach > >> >> >> > > is not to support ilegal imigration, wich also would only > >> > bring > >> >> >> its > >> >> >> > > greatest success with non americans. The LP getting vocal > >> > here > >> >> >> > would > >> >> >> > > serve to divide the already small LP, and give undue > > credit > >> > to > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > > administration. There is a mass of issues that must be > >> > resolved > >> >> >> > before > >> >> >> > > open imigration should hit the LP political table, > >> > everything > >> >> >> from > >> >> >> > > imigration system reform to ending the welfare state. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > I would say this is a good time to say mum is the word, > >> > going > >> >> >> pro > >> >> >> > > ilegal imigration will not wrestle some great hispanic > >> > support > >> >> >> for > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > > LP away from the democrats. > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
