Although the section of the article was refering to slaves the
wording of it means that after the year 1808 Congress can place
prohibitions on states in regard to migration. After 1808 in fact
Congress did enact legislation prohibiting slaves from being
transported to the U.S.A. Congress because of Article I sec.9 can
plase prohibitions on immigration. The part about a duty being
imposed on importation of persons is useless because slavery and
indentured servtitude have been abolished and thus people are no
longer transported to the U.S.A. as slaves or indentured servents as
payment for their passage. After 1808 it was illegal to transport
slaves to the U.S.A.
$
--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nice try. Naturalization is not immigration.
>
> Let's look at Article 1, section 9 which you attempted to use out
of
> context...
>
> The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states
now
> existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by
the
> Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight,
but a
> tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten
> dollars for each person.
>
> This says the federal government can't prevent the states from
> permitting any immigrants to they choose before 1808 but the fed
can
> charge a DUTY of up to $10 per person. The word DUTY refers to
> imports. In otherwords...SLAVES. If you're importing slaves,
> Congress can charge up to $10 per head as a duty. Since slavery
has
> since been outlawed, this clause is useless. It does not grant the
> federal government any authority over immigration.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote:
> >
> > Article I sections 8 and 9. 8 gives congress the duty to
establish
> uniform Rule of Naturalization. Section 9 says that after 1808
> congress can make laws on migration and importation of persons.
> >
> > BWS
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: terry12622000 <cottondrop@>
> > Date: Monday, May 1, 2006 2:52 pm
> > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Latino protesters made a huge public
> relations mistake
> >
> > > How are they illegal? Yes those that tresspass on private
property
> > > and mess it up around the border are illegal and property
owners
> > > have
> > > a right to protect their property and persons and they have a
> > > right
> > > to join with their neighbors in protecting their property and
> > > person,
> > > plus request the Sheriff and local police department help.
That
> > > being
> > > said if they are not violating anyone's rights or attempting
to
> > > then
> > > how are they illegal. The constitution also does not give
> > > authority
> > > over immigration to the federal government, yeas if a state,
> > > county
> > > and locals request help in defending the borders the federal
> > > government can help but it would be very unwise now to
encourage
> > > the
> > > federal government to come and park their employees( either
border
> > > guards or a standing army) in the local area messing in things
> > > that
> > > aint none of their business. I'm very disipointed at some of
my
> > > fellow libertarians and some conservatives who should know
better
> > > than to tempt the Central government with the request of help
and
> > > the
> > > grant of more power especially when it clearly is not needed.
Its
> > > Congress breaking the law get that straight by passing
immigration
> > > laws when they have no constitutional authority to do so, they
are
> > > going against their oath of office which is illegal. Some
states
> > > may
> > > have the constitutional authority over immigration if the
state
> > > constitution says so.--- In [email protected], John
> > > Perna
> > > <savefreedom2005@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Latino protesters made a huge public relations mistake
> > > >
> > > > A small thought: "Do unto others as you would have them do
> > > unto
> > > you."
> > > > Who ever boycotts TODAY, WILL BE BOYCOTTED FOREVER.
> > > > May first is a communist holiday.
> > > > We are now seeing imported CLASS STRUGGLE.
> > > >
> > > > THE SOURCE OF THIS ARTICLE, Original URL, and AUTHOR
> > > > CAN BE FOUND AT:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOfSpeechNow/message/73
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > THE CENSORED URL IS EMBEDDED THERE
> > > > The message is being censored by the CAPCHA CENSORSHIP
PROGRAM.
> > > > I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but to
me I
> > > think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally,
made
> > > a
> > > huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come
to
> > > the
> > > United States of America, as it is a truly wonderful place.
But
> > > when
> > > the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is
> > > illegal
> > > it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left
> > > heads
> > > come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me
sensitivity
> > > lessons.
> > > >
> > > > I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have
> > > anything
> > > against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and
> > > anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal
and if
> > > you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign
> > > country
> > > without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me
> > > about
> > > the demonstrations is that it's tantamount to saying, "I am
going
> > > to
> > > come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and
> > > there's nothing you can do about it."
> > > >
> > > > It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me I
> > > don't
> > > like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of
> > > gonads
> > > in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be
happening.
> > > >
> > > > Where are you, you bunch of lilly-livered, pantywaist,
> > > forked
> > > tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have
you
> > > been drinking the water out of the Potomac again?
> > > >
> > > > And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will
probably
> > > be
> > > so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything
anyway.
> > > Besides, what good is an other law going to do when you won't
> > > enforce
> > > the ones on the books now?
> > > >
> > > > And what ever happened to the polls guys? I thought you
folks
> > > were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain't
paying
> > > any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around
> > > eighty
> > > percent of Americans want something done about this mess, and
mess
> > > it
> > > is and getting bigger everyday.
> > > >
> > > > This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed
for
> > > being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in
> > > France
> > > with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who
hire
> > > these
> > > people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned
> > > Hispanics take to the streets?
> > > >
> > > > If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle
> > > under
> > > on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that
you
> > > care
> > > nothing for the kind of country your children and
grandchildren
> > > will
> > > inherit.
> > > >
> > > > But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-
> > > elected.
> > > Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that
if
> > > you
> > > have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of
> > > people
> > > (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the
media
> > > and
> > > called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of
to
> > > call
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm still
> > > rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I
fear
> > > not. And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop
> > > politicians are just about to sell out the United States of
> > > America
> > > because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up
to
> > > the
> > > face reality.
> > > >
> > > > And reality is that we would never allow any other group
of
> > > people to have 12 million illegals in this country and turn
around
> > > and say, "Oh it's ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just
allow us
> > > to
> > > slap your wrist."
> > > >
> > > > And I know that some of you who read this column are
> > > saying "Well what's wrong with that?"
> > > >
> > > > I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could
be
> > > from
> > > Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where they
are
> > > or
> > > what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're not
> > > going
> > > to.
> > > >
> > > > Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already
> > > subsidize
> > > corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor
as well?
> > > >
> > > > If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to
turn a
> > > blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan?
I
> > > think not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All the media shows us are pictures of hard working
Hispanics
> > > who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
They
> > > don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS
13,
> > > the
> > > violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks
did.
> > > They
> > > don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican
illegals
> > > some fat cat hired to pick his crop.
> > > >
> > > > I want to make two predictions.
> > > >
> > > > No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until
it
> > > erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in
Washington
> > > drag
> > > their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of
> > > political
> > > hay they can make to the acre.
> > > >
> > > > No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some
kind
> > > of
> > > weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American
city
> > > after which there will be a backlash such as this country has
> > > never
> > > experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will
probably
> > > tilt
> > > as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the
issue.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know about you but I would love to see just one
> > > major
> > > politician stand up and say, "I don't care who I make mad and
I
> > > don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate
situation
> > > and
> > > I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out"
> > > >
> > > > I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America,
but if
> > > you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect
any
> > > others. And by the way, this is America and our flag has
stars
> > > and
> > > stripes. Please get that other one out of my face.
> > > >
> > > > Pray for our troops
> > > >
> > > > God Bless America
> > > >
> > > > April 10, 2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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