government property claim. I agree taxes are extorting and a debt is
owed for that extortion and outside of negotiating or suing
individuals and private outfits you might be able to get compensation
or repreations from the government and to do that without violating
ZAP government assets are the source for compensation because more
taxes would only dig the problem deeper. That being said the taxpayer
may have to step in line to be compensated and by the time he gets to
the front of the line there may not be enough government assets to
compensate him. The government has a long history of abuse, breaking
treaties going back on its word, lieing stealing peoples land homes,
farms and businesses. So At least in case of the Smoky MOutain
National Park and the Cherokee National Forest, it is the orginal
homesteaders that own that land or their heirs or volunter trading
partners or as far back as can be traced, many of them I think still
live around the national park and forest and still use it although
the government unjustly forces them to limit that use. Seems I
remeber seeing a TV special about the federal government forcing
people off their farms and land to start a national park or nation
forest back in the 70s up in one of the Eastern MIdwest states was
this the Hooiser National Forest or did that happen in Ohio? Outside
of tracing the first homesteaders or their heirs we have posseion and
use to go on, Here in eastTN. and Western NC that would be the local
nearest the park and forest that use the park, as I said federal
employees can claim the parts they use and even claim it for the
federal government but the Smoky Mt. national Park and the Cherokee
NAtional Forest cover a lot of ground and they border two national
forest in NC and the Blue Ridge National Parkway which goes into VA.,
the rangers can't posses and use all of that. Since much of the land
was taking by extortion the federal governments land title is in
great question of valdity so we have either use or tracing back to
the orginal homesteader. In the 30s and 40s the Tennesse Valley
Authority forced thousands of people off their land to flood tens of
thousands of acres, some of them were my family who were forced off
good farm land to build two dams in my area, hundreds of people in
the 50s and 60s were forced out of their homes, farms and businesses
to build the Interstates.--- In [email protected], "mark
robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Terry,
>
> Unless they paid more taxes or something, the adjacent land
> owners have no more of a possession / ownership / or right to
> enter the HNF property than any other taxpayer. Logistics has
> nothing to do with it. The right of the government to "own" land
> is one thing; the right of taxpayers to enjoy that public
> property is quite another - my issue is the latter. I am as much
> against big govt "owning" land as the next good libertarian, but
> to not be allowed to enjoy what I was forced to pay for is the
> worst of both worlds. Libertarian / Constitutional / and NAP
> property rights include the right who has paid in to be able to
> have access to the collectively-owned property.
>
> -Mark
>
>
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> -------------------------
>
> Mark, posseion and use is nine tenths of the law, I think those
> living around the Forest may have the most valid claim to the
> Forest
> which would include keeping people out or tresspassing if their
> cliam
> trumps the Federal governments claim and this may include
> trumping
> federal taxpayers claim. I say may because I do not know enough
> detail. Here in South East Tennessee we have The Cherokee
> National
> Forest and further up The Great Smoky Mountain National Park. I
> do
> not think the federal government has a valid cliam on either, the
>
> local residence which would include the Eastern Band of the
> Cherokee
> has the most valid claim because of occupancy, use and long
> historical cliams and use by ancestors, the Federal government
> used
> eminet domain and various other unjust means to take over the
> land,
> locals have a right to shut down the Smoky Mt. Park and the
> Cherokee
> Forest to outsiders if they want and not admit the federal
> government, Rangers and other federal employees that live on the
> site
> and use the park I think should be included in the valid
> claim.--- In
> [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@> wrote:
> >
> > I am being deprived of my property rights by the Federal Govt
> > (Hoosier National Forest). There is a 40 acre tract of national
> > forest land that is landlocked and has no legal access. I want
> to
> > be able to get onto this parcel of public property that I have
> > paid taxes for. None of the adjacent landowners allow access
> from
> > theirs. I have complained to more than a few HNF employees and
> > they all say I am out of luck; there's nothing they can do.
> Most
> > of them end up asking me why I want to gain access! I am
> > scheduled to speak with the next higher-up on Friday. I am
> ready
> > to demand entry to the property or threaten to call the ACLU.
> > What would you do?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
>
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