He said the opposite of what you represent that he said.
Read posts carefully WITH comprehension, then THINK before you just
react.
-Terry Liberty Parker
Owner/moderator,
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--- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> So you wish to officialy state your belief is that Life is not an
> inalienable right?
>
> --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@> wrote:
> >
> > Uncool,
> >
> > Having a conversation about rights, and what has them and what
> > doesn't, in no way implies that said rights are alienable /
> > transferable / "assigned" / derived from the govt / synonymous
> > with privileges / or granted by legislation. Not only did I not
> > say anything about rights being any of those things, I did not
> > imply it in any way. Your post is long-jumping to its own
> > obviously-false conclusion and claiming it's mine so you can
> > knock it down easily. That your post would stoop so low to make
> > me into a strawman is a mind-boggler monstrosity.
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > ************
> > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> > unjust lawsuits.
> > See www.fija.org
> > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> >
> > Then, Mark, you assume that rights are not inalienable, and thus
> > handed out like a birth certificate. I reiterate my rejection of
> > this thought. I can not reconcile the concept of the state owning
> > my
> > very being, and all my rights are dirived from the state rather
> > than
> > my being itself. Rights should not become a synonymn for
> > privledges,
> > nothing could be more dangerous to libertey.
> >
> > I am discussing what I am discussing and what I am discussing is
> > how
> > defending abortion can not be seen as the only Libertarian point
> > of
> > view. I am talking about human rights Mark. My discussion is not
> > being directed by your desire or any one elses to only look at a
> > piece of the picture and ignore the darker sides that some find
> > unpleasant.
> >
> > My point of view of abortion extends directly from my point of
> > view
> > on what the difference between a right and a privledge are. #6 is
> >
> > supposed to be used as a legal term for contracts and
> > legislation,
> > not as a tool of opression but it is so easily misused by those
> > who
> > misconstrue its purpose, and is thus a monstrocity.
> >
> >
> > Here is the biggest mindbogler for me. Personhood in your point
> > of
> > view being about who gets rights and who does not. This is
> > assigned,
> > it is not in stone and thus who is curently a person and who is
> > not
> > is irelevant to the greater question of who should be a person
> > under
> > your definition. Definition #1 answers that question. #6 is
> > simply a
> > matter of legal terminolgy. Who recieves human rights is not,
> > rights
> > are not granted by legislation or contract Mark. How can that be
> > so
> > objectionable of a thought to a 'libertarian group.'
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Uncool,
> > >
> > > I don't comprehend why you are explaining the nature of rights,
> > > when we are discussing abortion and "human" vs "person".
> > >
> > > Regarding "person", Merriam Webster grants synonymy with
> > "human"
> > > in def # 1. But def # 6 says: "one (as a human being, a
> > > partnership, or a corporation) that is recognized by law as the
> > > subject of rights and duties."
> > >
> > > Since this discussion is about abortion (and immigration?) and
> > > what life-stage qualifies for full rights, I assume #6 is more
> > > appropriate here.
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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