important physiological differences between a fetus and a baby that
has been born.
--- In [email protected], "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Mark, actually human birth still qualifies an individual for
> personhood under the US Constitution; I'm asserting that it's too
> arbitrary.
>
> -Terry Liberty Parker
> PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48351
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@> wrote:
> >
> > Terry,
> >
> > I disagree and agree. You claim birth no longer qualifies as
> > criteria for Constitutional personhood, and then name your own
> > preferences. I do not disagree with yours; I only remind you that
> > they all result from the dramatic changes that took place at
> > birth. No matter if premature, c-section, or whatever, the
> > required fetal transformations are still kicked in by cutting its
> > cord and introducing it into the atmosphere.
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************
> > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> > unjust lawsuits.
> > See www.fija.org
> > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
> >
> >
> > --------------
> >
> > I think that the 'birth' as criteria for Constitutional
> > 'personhood'
> > was adopted as a matter of convenience; a clear delineation
> > commensurate with that time's technology.
> >
> > These days, human babies can be prematurely born by months. And
> > some
> > are naturally born 'brainless' (sans brain). Upon birth a human
> > is
> > still VERY dependent on others for basic life support. What
> > effect
> > might this lack of material 'agency' have on transendendly
> > moral 'personhood' (not just what is legal now)
> >
> > Here are *my* 'tentative' COMBINED criteria for
> > who or what gets to be regarded as a person:
> >
> > sentience- ability to consider essential
> > information about one's environment
> > (surroundings, situation and so on)
> >
> > agency- power to act in one's environment
> >
> > conscious volition- free will to intervene between
> > stimulus and response by making meaningful choices;
> > without which one can not be 'responsible' for
> > one's actions that interface with other persons
> >
> > Imo, 'personhood' is about individual sovereigns
> > (whose 'domains' are their own bodies and
> > justly held possessions) being free moral agents;
> > which still leaves room for acts of compassion :)
> >
> > Domains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419
> >
> > Morals http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/37899
> >
> >
> > -Terry Liberty Parker
> > PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond
> > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48351
> >
>
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