in referring to a human zygote AND maintain that bio-science
consensus supports such use, it would be a more credible claim if you
provided URLs to CONCISE mutually respectable sources (am holding
pro/anti abortion rights advocates to same standard here)
-Terry Liberty Parker
LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48288
--- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Quoth Terry Parker:
>
> > Tom, ok if you're going to keep applying the term 'human being'
to
> > human zygotes and claiming that such use is sustained by
> > scientific/biologic consensus, I'm challenging you to provide
readily
> > verifiable supporting source citations.
>
> What do you mean by "readily verifiable?" I've already offered
> textbook citations which you can "readily verify" by visiting the
> nearest university library. If, on the other hand, by "readily
> verifiable" you refer to something you can just point and click,
then
> I need to know your minimum standard. I could throw stuff at you
from
> L4L or other partisan sites all day long, but I doubt that's what
> you're looking for.
>
> Wikipedia is a reference that tends to more neutral due to group
> consensus editing, but the scholarly credentials of the editors
can't
> always be vouched for. Here are a couple of bits from the Wikipedia
> entry on "human" (which is where going to the entry on "human being"
> will redirect to) at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human:
>
> "A human being is a multicellular eukaryote consisting of an
estimated
> 100,000 billion cells. However a human being is initially just one
> cell, a zygote, but when the cell divides, it forms an embryo."
>
> ...
>
> "The human life cycle is similar to that of other placental mammals.
> New humans develop viviparously from conception. An egg is usually
> fertilized inside the female by sperm from the male through sexual
> intercourse, though the recent technology of in vitro fertilization
is
> also occasionally used. The fertilized egg, called a zygote,
divides*
> inside the female's uterus to become an embryo, which over a period
of
> thirty-eight weeks becomes a human fetus. At birth, the fully-grown
> fetus is expelled from the female's body and breathes independently
as
> an infant for the first time. At this point, most modern cultures
> recognize the baby as a person entitled to the full protection of
the
> law, though some jurisdictions extend personhood to human fetuses
> while they remain in the uterus."
>
> [* The "division" referred to is the process of mitosis and
> cytokinesis, through which the zygote grows -- it does not divide
into
> separate organisms, but rather augments itself with the addition of
> new cells]
>
> > Though you have made clear that you don't automatically equate
your
> > use of the term to also mean 'person' there is a substantial
> > consensus which does make such equation.
>
> There may be various legal or philosophical consensuses
(consensusi?)
> to that effect, but science isn't concerned with "personhood" at
all.
> It is concerned with physical fact.
>
> Tom Knapp
>
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