She? If you mean me I am a 50 year old ugly laborer
man.
If you notice I deleted the below post of mine after reviewing your
other post where I followed up by saying I probably owe you an
apology. So yes I think you would have gotten over it
anyway.
As far as your questions goes let me say first that maybe I made
a mistake in calling todays Vista workers volunters, i did not know
they are payed 8,400 dollars a year, I did not know they were payed
anything. I lived on 500 bucks a year for a couple of years back in
the 80s, a 1,000 another year and 1,500 in another but I did not do
much for it picked up a few cans, mowed a few yards, cut a little
fire wood but if I had been payed 1,000 dollars to help others or
8,000 dollars these days I would not call it volunter work, it work
but I suppose a smart fellow like yourself could be making a lot more
money so in a way you are
voluntering.
As far as who should pay, well you placed one out of
possible answers to how it could be paid, a fender off a Humvee sent
to Iraq would pay your wages, Remember In a earler post when you were
bemoaning the fact that Saddam is no longer in power that I thought
they should have nevered invaded Iraq and the US miltary should come
home now. Let's see the federal, state, county and local governments
have trillions of dollars in hard and liquid assets, the federal
government alone has trillions of dollars in hard assets and liquid
assets like bonds, stocks, gold, sliver
etc.
Annual corporate gross revenue from for profit corporations alone
is well over 17 trillion dollars a year, corporate assets are over 25
trillion, maybe 30 trillion. Outside of the NEA( which is a large
nonprofit corporation) and the government employee unions private
corporations make up the greatest majority of the rent seeking
lobbyist. The debt should probably be paid by some or all of those
rent seeking lobbyist, Federal Reserve banks, corporations and
government employee unions before you even think about going after
smaller fish. A flat rate of 10% of corporate gross revenue could
bring in at least 1.7 trillion dollars it could elimnate all of the
personal income tax and Social SEcurity/ Medicare tax, they should be
able to pay your wages and the debt to the people you are working
with out of 1.7 trillion dollars or even
less.
As far as how I would help those people diffrently you are asking
the wrong freaking question, I gave a few possible answers in earler
posts that may or may not help but the questions should be what do
thwe people want to do, not what the tribal council wants to do, not
what you want to do, not what the BIA wants to do, not whatVista
wants to do, not what the private contributor of the local Vista
program wants to do but what the local people want to do.They might
need advice, they might need a hand up but they don't need some
elitest snots telling them what they need or want.--- In
[email protected], "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Ah, she calls me a liar. I'll try to get over that.
>
> Tell ya what Terry, let me ask you two questions:
>
> Just who IS this mysterious entity that would provide the VISTA
volunteers?
>
> Oh...of the $8400 paid out as stippend to the volunteers, 2/3 is
repaid by
> White Mesa. The labor cost was cheep enough to begin with, but now
you have
> a bill of $8400 a year for 40 to 60 hours average work byu a
professional
> that now costs the government about $3,300.
>
> Less than the replacement fenders for a Humvee we send to Iraq.
>
> Second question: how would you do this differently, exactly?
See, 'That
> sucks' is not enough for me to scrap a program that is the only one
> available to these folks.
>
>
>
> On 6/27/06, terry12622000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, I say some may have had a good experience being a Vista
volunter
> > and they probably helped several people but the likelyhood is a
lot
> > more people could have been helped if it had not been a government
> > program. I'm sure John is honest in his work and his intentions
but
> > he is being less than honest in most of the discussion on this
> > thread.--- In [email protected] <Libertarian%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "steven linnabary"
> > <linnabary51@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Stroebel" <john.stroebel@>
> > >
> > > > That is part of what is being done there now. Oh, no, I
finished
> > a second
> > > > year and moved on to teach on the Wind RIver Reservation in
> > Wyoming.
> > > > This article began with a post I was sharing...showing a
business
> > success
> > > on
> > > > this reservation. I showed an article on how VISTAS found a
way
> > to assist
> > > > the Ute and Navajo children in San Juan County with sales of
home
> > made
> > > candy
> > > > over the Internet. The success was so surprising that the
parents
> > are now
> > > > involved.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I was a part of VISTA back in '82-'83. I did not have the good
> > VISTA
> > > experience you did, though my project was gratifying. My problem
> > was that
> > > VISTA required written reports, and that VISTA really did not
seem
> > to care
> > > whether the project was successful or not. As far as VISTA was
> > concerned,
> > > as long as the weekly reports were timely, the project was
> > successful. As
> > > far as I was concerned, the reports were far too time consuming
> > unless I
> > > what I wrote was vague and contained a lot of obtuse verbiage.
> > >
> > > Accurate reports were impossible because I was in charge of
> > a "Gleaning
> > > Program" for local farms at the local food bank. Of course this
was
> > > neccessarily seasonal, and I found that there is actually very
> > little food
> > > (commercially) grown in Ohio for human consumption. The rest of
> > the time I
> > > was helping out around the food bank, which actually took up
nearly
> > all my
> > > time. The food bank was something that I believed in, afterall,
it
> > wasn't
> > > government funded.
> > >
> > > One good experience was at the beginning of my service, I was
> > required to
> > > sign a proclamation to defend America from all enemies, foriegn
and
> > > domestic. I scratched out America, US and other government
> > references and
> > > replaced them with "people of the world" or some such. I found
out
> > several
> > > years later that the local director of VISTA always showed this
> > signed
> > > statement (sans my signature, I hope) to new recruits during
> > orientation as
> > > to what they were allowed to do if they had a problem with the
oath.
> > >
> > > > That is what we do there...we need to first begin with
education.
> > A person
> > > > who can not read or spell can not access the Internet, and
this
> > is one
> > > major
> > > > way to find a market for their products. I set up a business
> > council to
> > > help
> > > > Ute adults with assistance with business decisions.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Here again, I found that the welfare mentality caused people to
not
> > care or
> > > work toward their own welfare. This was the era of free
government
> > cheese
> > > handouts. People would stand in line for several hours for a 5
> > pound block
> > > of cheese (or fight to get to the front of the line (police were
> > omnipresent
> > > during these handouts). Sad, really.
> > >
> > > And the volunteers I managed to find for the project never came
> > from the
> > > local food pantries, but from church groups and other civic
> > organizations.
> > >
> > > PEACE
> > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer
> > > Franklin County Libertarian Party
> > > (614) 891-8841
> > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115
> > >
> > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent
> > revolution
> > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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