The term "merciless Indian savages" is a direct quote from the Declaration of Independence. Throughout history, which you should read before you dismiss Mr. Jefferson's description of them, with which all of the other Signers concurred, most people haven't given a d*mn. Fortunately, during the Revolution and during the establishment of what used to be our government, enough did to create the most libertarian form of government in history. As for the Constitution, once the Bill of Rights was added, it worked quite well for over seventy years and reasonably well from 1877 until 1913. Since then, of course, with the end of vigilance by enough of the people, the predictions of the antifederalists have proven prophetic.
For life and liberty, David Macko NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. ----- Original Message ----- From: kiddleddee To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Hard Questions was Re: [Libertarian] Re: Ron Paul: a Good Thing for the libertarian movement and the Libertarian Part I suspect that many - if not most - "Americans" did choose NOTA in 1788 and that only a few actually participated in - or even cared for - the events unfolding in Philadelphia. And I also suspect that many - if not most - "Americans" were content to take their chances among the "merciless savages", as you in your racist zeal portray Native Americans, rather than subject themselves to any central authority beyond their control. That certainly became the case after the constitution created that central authority. --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I fully support NOTA as an alternative in all elections. However, any alternative which Americans would have chosen in 1788 rather than a. some form of US government, British, French or Spanish rule or the merciless Indian savages would have led to one of those five alternatives. > > For life and liberty, > David Macko > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ma ni > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:31 PM > Subject: RE: Hard Questions was Re: [Libertarian] Re: Ron Paul: a Good Thing for the libertarian movement and the Libertarian Part > > > David, > > You are confusing my separation. Americans in 1788 obviously did > NOT have the knowledge we now have. While I agree with you that > NOTA was not a realistic choice for THEM, I disagree that they > wouldn't were they WE (given that the external powers ALLOWED the > choice). It seems you are trying to do the impossible: mix the > past with the present. Also, you imply that NOTA = vacuum; I > disagree. > > -Mark > > ++++++++++++++ > > Even with the knowledge we now have, I still maintain that the > only choices available to Americans in 1788 were a US government > (Articles of Confederation, Constitution or some other > alternative, none of which was chosen by the Founding Fathers) > British, French or Spanish domination or the mercies of the > merciless Indian savages. NOTA was not an option in those > circumstances. Nature abhors a vacuum. > > For life and liberty, > David Macko > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National > Security Agency may have read this email without warning, > warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or > legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save > to call for the impeachment of the current President. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ma ni > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:14 AM > Subject: RE: Hard Questions was Re: [Libertarian] Re: Ron Paul: > a Good Thing for the libertarian movement and the Libertarian > Part > > I think here's the variable causing the conflicting answers. > Look > what we are doing right now and the advantage it gives us. > Hindsight is 20/20, especially with computers. Of course the > choices of history WERE limited to those who lived it, but one > of > the main reasons was lack of information and communications > technologies. Is the question "what would you have chosen, had > you had the knowledge you have now", or "what would you have > chosen, had you only had the best knowledge of the time"? And > even then, what are the chances you would have had the best > knowledge of the time? VERY SLIM indeed, I imagine. In other > words, are "you" going back in time as yourself with your > current > knowledge, or going back in time as a person/brain/knowledge of > the time? Big difference! The biggest limitation on any choice > is > what you know. > > -Mark > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
