Where do Christians and Jews use the force of government to discriminate against non-believers? It is imperfect but minimal. Compare with Islamic societies, and even worse, Islamist ones. The difference in bigotry is like night and day.
I suspect you'll have a much easier time opening a mosque in Dallas or Sacramento than opening a church in Riyadh or Tehran. Don't forget to claim your Bible at customs when you arrive at King Khalid International Airport. From: ma ni Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror I made your statements make MORE sense. It's pretty easy to see where I'm going. I'm simply using your own words to demonstrate their inconsistent logic. If it's bigotry when the Koran condemns people who don't believe in its god, then it's also bigotry when the Bible condemns people who don't believe in its god. And you are right that I could find many more bible verses that do that, but you are excruciatingly wrong that Christians and Jews don't discriminate against non-believers based on those texts. ---------------------------------------- You've replaced some words to create nonsensical versions of my statements. I don't understand where you're going with that. Obviously anyone can change a word or two and make a sentence silly, illogical, etc. I only stand by what I actually said, not what you change it to say. The verses from Jeremiah doesn't fit here. There is no bigotry in them. You can probably find some other Biblical verses condemning people by group affiliation, but those verses are neither applicable to, nor practiced by, contemporary Christians and Jews. -------------------------- From: ma ni Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Stop the War FOR Terror We really don't have to go all the way back to ancient religious texts to see racism and bigotry. All we have to do is go back to your recent post. But let's emphasize the humor and frame it in your present post. "Racism and similar bigotry go beyond mere opinion by, for example, declaring a particular group of people as 'violent cats ... culturally incapable of civilized government' and recommending to 'bomb the hell out of them'." Or if you were more intending to criticize the Koran and its god for condemning groups of people, try out this alternate version (of your own kind of bigotry): "Racism and similar bigotry go beyond mere opinion by, for example, declaring a particular group of people as essentially worth nothing but killing and leaving as 'dung upon the ground', which is demonstrably false." King James Bible, JEREMIAH 25:31 A noise shall come [even] to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them [that are] wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. 25:32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. ------------------------ Racism and similar bigotry go beyond mere opinion by, for example, declaring a particular group of people as essentially "monkeys and pigs," which is demonstrably false. "... They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5:60); "...You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised" (2:65); and "when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes, despised" (7:166). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
