https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172275
--- Comment #36 from Steve Forde <[email protected]> --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #32) > (In reply to Steve Forde from comment #30) > > First please note: > > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173610 > > in my experience, I can't play with the icon/button sizes in the > Tabbed-Compact UI mode. Does that actually work for you? > > Anyway, the situation with the Notebookbar UI modes in general is kind of a > tar pit. You see, implementing a proper multi-tab meta-widget - with > customizability, themeability, sectioning support and all of the other > goodies - is a massive task, and even more so if you want to do it across > several platforms. LO developers have _never undertaken_ this task. The > Notebookbar is a hack, stretching the abilities of traditional top-of-dialog > tabs as far as the developers can. It was never fully mature code; and > frankly, I personally would probably not have added it to releases at all. > But - it has been released, and now the developer have to struggle with a > mechanism that apparently cannot support what we would want it to do. So > they can get some feature or functionality at the expense of others. > > This is doubly the case of the NBB modes other than NBB Tabbed. They're > really a "maybe it'll work for you" kind of a feature. So the consideration > you bring up was not on our minds (well, the developers minds mostly but I > am also responsible as I did not object) when NBB customizability was on the > chopping block. But I will ask you this: Do you believe there is a > significant number of people who, due to visual impairment, prefer Tabbed > Compact with large icons, over Menus+Toolbars and NBB Tabbed ? Even if those > two modes have their icons enlarged as well? > > (In reply to Steve Forde from comment #31) > > Silly question, no doubt, but why not make ALL the tabs work as "standard > > toolbars" that can be fully customised? If you can do it for one "special > > tab", why not all of them? > > That's a good question. That is, forget NBB Tabbed, where the customization > has to be richer than for a toolbar. Can we not treat the tabs of > Tabbed-Compact as though they were toolbars, w.r.t. customization? Even if > it were a kludge like prefixing their names so that they can be edited using > the toolbar customization dialgo - that would already help Steve. Thanks for the reply. To take your questions in turn: (1) LARGE vs SMALL ICONS I certainly do see a difference in the TabbedCompact UI when I select large icons. I've attached 2 screenshots to show you what I mean. When large icons are selected, we lose the drop down to select the number format, which is pretty fundamental! We also lose the icons to increase / reduce the number of decimal points shown in the selected cells, which I use all the time. Note that even with small icons, we lose the conditional formatting icon. I use this a lot. I used to get these key icons back by making "merge and center cells" invisible (it takes up a crazy amount of space on the ribbon, and the functionality is easily accessible by right-clicking when multiple cells are selected). I also got rid of the "select row" and "select column" icons (ditto - functionality available by right clicking), strikethrough font (rarely used by me) and clear direct formatting. The result was a more useful home bar with larger, more easily visible icons and fewer icons hidden behind ">>". (2) DO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE PREFER TABBED COMPACT WITH LARGE ICONS? I have no idea. I know I do. I think TabbedCompact takes up very little vertical screen space, which is good, but the "small" icon size - even on my 27 inch 1080p monitor - is a little too small to be comfortable. My eyes aren't REALLY bad, but I'm in my late 50's, and I suspect I'm not the only person of my age with this issue. I'm disappointed, but not surprised, to see you describe the NotebookBar as a "hack... this is doubly the case of the NBB modes other than NBB Tabbed. They're really a "maybe it'll work for you" kind of a feature.". I recently saw an article on the LibreOffice website extolling the suite's focus on offering users a choice of interfaces. Fine words, but clearly not matched by the reality. Finally, regarding the "treat all TabbedCompact tabs as toolbars" idea, I'm not qualified to say whether that could work. But if you do go down this road, you might want to add "false" divider icons (straight lines) that do nothing, but do allow "sections" within the tab to be visually distinct. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
