https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148673

--- Comment #11 from [email protected] ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from bug 38850 comment #15)
> we should auto-show the list/outline toolbar more often
+1 that is the OP and the main point. 

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from bug 38850 comment #17)
> The toolbar offers Promote/Demote, Move up/down, and various list
> attributes. Makes no sense to separate one from the other.
I understand, from a technical point of view, that it seems superfluous, and
would agree that it probably makes little difference for Eve users.

But just to lay out some conceptual reasons for suggesting their separation,
which were motivated by an interest in making the tools more accessible to
beginners (which includes having understandable help pages), and to those who
are trying to learn/understand/use appropriately list level and outline level:

1. List level and Outline level are different concepts. Better to have separate
toolbars for each one.
2. Some of the list toolbar items are irrelevant for paragraphs with outline
level. Gives a simpler, slimmer toolbar for Outline.
3. Makes it easier to write help pages, where, right now, it is necessary to
explain (for example) Promote (and other commands) in relation to both list
level and outline level on the same help page.
4. Users are encouraged to use Tools > Chapter Numbering in relation to
numbering outline paragraphs, so why mix the DF list commands into an Outline
bar?
5. When toolbars are undocked, they have a title, that highlights if one is
working with list or outline.
6. .... 

I am not trying to sell anything here....just an exploration that follows from
the OP.

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