I think you miss a certain point here. Firstly, he mentioned that these laws could have an exception for when the company gives their users a certain benefit from allowing them to do something with this information of theirs. But also, what kind of people we are trying to protect with these laws.
When it comes to social laws that are put in place, they're put in place to protect the weaker members of society, people who perhaps don't understand the full consequences of their actions. In terms of technology, these people are the youth and the elderly. It makes sense that a grown adult shouldn't be on a platform like Facebook if he's concerned about his privacy, but neither a kid nor an elderly person understands the ramifications of this. I have two grandparents who use a lot of these technologies, not because they made the choice on their own, but because they were told to by their children. They don't have an education, so they don't understand anything, they just use it. There are also kids who use the platform before they are even supposed to based on the platform's own policy. In these cases, I would be in favor of creating a law defending the rights of these individuals. One example could be making it illegal to use the data of minors (while at the same time not providing an incentive for them to give a false age, so the company can mine their data). It's also a matter of being given the choice. In many cases our choice is "use the platform and lose your privacy, or don't use it". This choice is very limiting, since in many cases we are forced to use a platform for a variety of reasons (workplace, family pressure, only means of communication in a given context, etc.). One should always be given the option to use the platform without losing your privacy. I also don't think that this option should require any more payment than the other one, since this would be a form of income discrimination by which the poorer users are more likely to sell off their privacy to use the platform. Essentially, losing one's privacy should not receive discounts in the price of the service. On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 08:24:07PM -0700, Ali Razeen wrote: > And why should this be a law? How about leaving it to users to decide what > they are okay with and what they are not? To use your analogy, if a > transport company asks for a lot of information, and users are okay with > that, who are you to say what they should or shouldn't do? > > I am not a celebrity, nor someone famous nor rich. I really do not want a > law like yours and I do *not* want it as a worldwide treaty. Please leave me > my freedom, thanks. > > -Ali > > > On 8/20/18 7:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I however do not want "insights" period. > > > > How about something much - a law that says companies can't (ab)use the > > data of paid users without their explicit opt-in and can't provide any > > conditionals or anything more than minor incentives for opting in. > > > > minor incentives - eg: $10/mo ok but $100 not ok. > > > > > > More laws: > > * The right to be forgotten where when one establishes an account at say > > a bank, doctors office, store, airline etc they can simply check a box > > that says "delete my information after X amount of time" > > > > * Only the bare minimum of data required to provide a service should be > > collected - there is NO reason a transport company needs your name to > > transport you or a cable company your name to give you cable as long as > > you pay for your cable modem and pre-pay for services. > > > > > > All three should be a worldwide treaty - WILL be a worldwide treaty when > > some day the celebrity leaks become relentless and the shiny people > > demand change. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss -- Nicolás Ortega Froysa https://themusicinnoise.net/ http://uk7ewohr7xpjuaca.onion/ Public PGP Key: https://themusicinnoise.net/[email protected]_pub.asc http://uk7ewohr7xpjuaca.onion/[email protected]_pub.asc
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