Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin McClelland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Tom's PCMCIA HDD and CS&S problems
Good luck. I have never been able to get the PCMCIA slots to work under DOS, except for the floppy which is recognized by BIOS. I think the Linux people have an easier time with it than DOS, but I have heard it is still a little bit of a pain. Personally I would probably unload your PCMCIA only CD on ebay and purchase one that has both PCMCIA and parallel port capability. That would solve most OS installation woes, then all you have to worry about is setting up the correct partitions to allow proper hibernation. I have never used Ghost, so I can't help out with that any. "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" wrote > > Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:25:17 -0700 > From: "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Tom's PCMCIA HDD and CS&S problems > > I was trying to Ghost the 20Gig from the 110 to a desktop, then Ghost it back to > the 20Gig in the 100. I'm not sure why my 3Com3C589D card worked before in DOS > but doesn't now, and I can't find the original Ghost floppy I had made that > worked in DOS with it. My newer 3Com card doesn't even have DOS drivers. > > When that didn't work, I decided to try drive-to-drive, but the Microtech > International PortableDock PCMCIA HD enclosure isn't working under DOS either. > > > As for Laplink, ugh ;-) When I have a solution, I'm hoping it's one I can do > within a workday, just checking on it from time to time, and that leaves out > Laplink (even if I COULD find my old Laplink cable back from the days that was > the best way to xfer data). > > I'm going to hit Fry's on the way to work tomorrow, grab 2 2.5-3.5 adapter sets, > shut down my NT desktop at work, plug these 2 drives in place, transfer the CAB > files from the old to the new (or from the CD drive to new?), pull the 2.5s back > out, throw the new one in the 100, boot it up, and install Win98SE clean. Then > add Toshiba-specific files, then reinstall all my apps (luckily not a whole lot > on the Libs), copy data files from the 110, and verify everything is OK. > > I'll run it for a few days, then install 98Lite to see how it affects it (seems > to have made my 110 a little flaky). > > Once the 100 is OK, I get to do it all over again with the 110 :-/ At least > this time the CAB files are already on that HD, so I just boot to DOS and wipe > all but the DOS files and CAB files. > > > > > Matthew Hanson wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:30:04 +0000 > > From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [LIB] Tom's PCMCIA HDD and CS&S problems > > > > >I'm probably going to jack the old and new HD into my work machine and copy > > >them across, but I REALLY want to build some floppies so I don't have to do > > >that every time I upgrade a drive in my multiple Librettos. > > > > Tom, > > > > Is your problem getting either a ghost partition backup file, or OS > > installation files from your L110 to your L100? I'm still not quite sure > > what you're attempting to do. > > > > If you have plenty of time (heck... it's been days at this point, right?), > > would a DOS program like LapLink connecting your L110 to your L100 with the > > new HDD accomplish what you're trying to do? There's a great little utility > > called File Maven that I downloaded to do some work recently. You could run > > it on a bootable floppy on the L100, and leave it to run overnight if the > > files you want to transfer are large. > > > > That would be an easy to get a ghost image over there, and then run ghost > > from a floppy. If you want to move Windows files, you'll run into problems > > with the long file names in DOS. There's another utility I used to do a > > recursive save of whole directories and subdirectories to restore the file > > names once you've transferred them > > > > If you trying to run ghost from drive to drive, that's another story. What > > were you trying to accomplish with ghost? > > > > Matt > > > > >Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:49:48 -0700 > > >From: "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: [LIB] Tom's PCMCIA HDD and CS&S problems > > > > > Matt, > > > > Thanks for all the tips, but it still comes down to needing Card Socket > > Services. I currently have the IBM 20Gig in the Lib100, SYSed, and > > bootable. > > But I can't use anything except the Libby floppy drive, as the PCMCIA HD box > > and > > PCMCIA CD drive fail to recognize. I've searched all over for drivers, and > > have > > tried many different types, with no luck. > > > > I've tried Toshibas technotes for getting a CD to boot, but they seem to be > > specific to Tosh/Noteworthy CD drives, and the config.sys/autoexec.bat > > drivers I > > have with my no-name PCMCIA drive aren't working in the Lib (this drive > > works > > fine in Windows from what I can remember). > > > > Does ANYONE have some Card Socket Services install files from some old > > Toshiba > > system laying around? Or any other brand that might work (CardSoft)? > > > > I'm probably going to jack the old and new HD into my work machine and copy > > them > > across, but I REALLY want to build some floppies so I don't have to do that > > every time I upgrade a drive in my multiple Librettos. > > > > Matthew Hanson wrote: > > > > >Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:47:52 +0000 > > >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Tom's PCMCIA HDD and CS&S problems > > > > > >I wrote Tom off list, but am posting his reply to the list, as it may > > >explain his problems better. I only had one thought to add (below): > > > > > > >From: "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >>Matthew Hanson wrote: > > > >>>From: "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>> > > > >>>Help me before I go insane! > > > >>> > > > >>>I'm trying to get a 20Gig HD installed in my Lib100, and for the life > > >of > > > >>>me, I can't remember how I got the one installed in my 110 (I remember > > > >>>fighting with a ton of floppies).<<< > > > > > > >>Are we looking at an IBM HDD here? Is the problem getting the HDD set > > >up? > > > >>Specifially is the problem just with the overlay software? > > > > > > >Yes, because as soon as I have the overlay on and the disk formatted, I > > > >can't access it as a slave drive in the PCMCIA drive enclosure. > > > > > > > >I've tried Ghosting the 110 drive to the 100 drive, but I can't get > > >the 3Com 3C589D card working with the Ghost boot floppy. It USED to, but > > >the > > >3C589.com errors out now, and I'm not sure what I'm missing - I've been all > > >over 3Com's site, and tried the driver install downloads multiple times. > > >The card works, as I can use it in Win98 on the 110.< > > > > > > >>From what you're saying, it seems you do have access to the HDD in the > > > >>L100. Have you been able to boot the L100 with at boot FD, fdisk the > > >HDD, > > > >>and format it?<< > > > > > > >Yep. But at that point, I'm stuck. I can't load Win98 from CD because > > >the > > > >drivers for the generic PCMCIA CD drive say Card Socket services need to > > >be > > > >loaded first.< > > > > > > >>>Since I have to use IBM's Disk Manager, it seems the Ontrack overlay > > > >>>screws my chances of simply dropping the new 20Gig HD into a PCMCIA > > > >>>case<<< > > > > > > >>Whoa... "dropping the new 20Gig HD into a PCMCIA case" ?? Is there some > > > >>kind of PCMCIA adaptor you can plug a HDD into, and then plug the other > > > >>end of the adaptor into on of the L110's PCMCIA slots?<< > > > > > > >Yes, I bought it a couple of years ago for the L50 810Meg HD, so that I > > > >could transfer it to the new 4.3Gig for the L50.< > > > > > > >>>and jacking it in, copying files to it - when I jack it into the 110 > > >(or > > > >>>the 100 with the original 2.1G HD), it loads the drivers, but doesn't > > >see > > > >>>the single 2Gig partition I have on there so far.<<< > > > > > > >>I'm really confused... You say, "- when I jack it into the 110 (or the > > >100 > > > >>with the original 2.1G HD)..." Are you plugging the 20GB HDDinto a > > > >>PCMCIA port on the L110?<< > > > > > > >Yes, after I realized that I couldn't get the CD copied onto the HD the > > > >normal way, installing the HD into the Libretto and booting it.< > > > > > > >>>At this point, I don't necessarily want to Ghost over the old drive, > > > >>>since each system might be used for different things, and I think I > > >want > > > >>>to start completely fresh. But if I can get the 3Com3C589D card > > >working, > > > >>>I guess I might Ghost it over - does anyone use this card, and if so, > > > >>>what files do you use for a DOS boot floppy to get it to work?<<< > > > >>> > > > >>>So, on to the actual Subject of the email. It seems the PCMCIA CD > > >drive > > > >>>I have has the drivers for DOS (and I KNOW they've worked, I used to > > >have > > > >>>a boot floppy with card socket services on it SOMEWHERE), but no card > > > >>>socket services.<<< > > > >>> > > > >>>If I can get some DOS card socket services that work with the Lib110, I > > > >>>can create a boot floppy that will allow CD access, and install nice > > > >>>andfresh.<<< > > > >>> > > > >>>And before people tell me to just format the HD in the Lib, move it to > > >a > > > >>>desktop, and copy the CAB files over, remember the IBM overlay - it > > >seems > > > >>>to be screwing with the ability of the Lib100 with Win98 to read the > > > >>>drive, so I'm not holding my breath about plugging it into my Win98 > > > >>>desktop and reading it either.<<< > > > > > > >>Sounds like the overlay isn't installed right. Am I correct in > > >concluding > > > >>that somehow you have indeed managed to install SOMETHING on the 20GB > > >HDD > > > >>that you don't want to loose? If not, I'd start over. Can you > > >uninstall > > > >>the overlay? You may not need to. I'm not certain, but wonder if it'd > > >be > > > >>possible to delete your partitions, repartition, "fdisk /mbr" to create > > >a > > > >>fresh MBR, and then try installing the overlay with a different method > > >if > > > >>that's possible.<< > > > > > > >The overlay works, I can boot the L100 with the drive inside. But if I > > >put > > > >the original 2.1Gig back in, boot to Win98, and try to access the 20Gig > > > >using the external PCMCIA case, Win98 loads the PCMCIA HD drivers, but > > >then > > > >refuses to show any extra drives in Explorer. It's either because of the > > > >overlay (more likely), or the fact that the 20G also has an active > > > >partition.< > > > > > >Here's where I'm guessing your problem may be Tom. From what I understand, > > >the overlay only writes part of its info in the MBR. It puts a pointer in > > >there to the first cluster of your HDD where the rest of its data is > > >located. Thus in order to get the overlay to work properly, I'd think the > > >HDD would have to be booted, and not used as a slave. > > > > > >Matt > > > > > > >>Again, I'm assuming this is an IBM HDD since you mentioned, "Since I > > >have > > > >>to use IBM's Disk Manager". Is this "Ontrack overlay" part of that, or > > > >>something not from IBM? Would it be possible to try EZDrive with the > > > >>EZBIOS overlay?<< > > > > > > >I suppose, but that really isn't the issue. IBM's Disk Manager is > > > >working > > > >fine. 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