Wow, thanks for the feedback.

I should have been more clear as to what I meant by "High Risk".  I'm
not concerned so much with Lift's technical merit, but rather the risk
of personnel.  If I get hit by the "proverbial bus" then my client/
employer will have a difficult time completing/maintaining the project
due to skill set alone.

I agree with the points about infrastructure and Scala/Lift's cross-
platform capabilities. I would not use it otherwise.  I also agree
that Lift rocks and is a viable alternative to traditional Java
approaches.

That being said.  I do have my client's best interest in mind and I
think using Scala and Lift is somewhat selfish on my part.  I guess
I'll have to be on the lookout for buses :-)

On Oct 22, 7:10 am, Tim Perrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting thread.
>
> Having done both emplyed work and freelance consultancy I agree
> totally with Marius in sense that selling in the idea of XYZ
> technology to enterprise is one of the most difficult things we face,
> as there are some very deep set processes in the enterprise
> environment (Microsoft, SAP et al) and a lot of reluctancy to touch
> OSS in general.
>
> Companies usually tackle this in one of two ways:
>
> 1) Outsource the entire project to a 3rd party (dev, hosting etc) so
> then they just need it to work and fulfil the spec and not worry about
> organizational issues that may hinder the implementation of XYZ
> technology in there business. A classic of this is Ruby... it runs
> like crap on windows, and like it or not, M$ have a massive market
> share of infrastructure and deployment hardware in the enterprise
> environment so outsourcing the implementation and deployment makes
> sense and the organization still get quicker ROI of the shorter dev
> time.
>
> 2) A drawn out internal wrangle / argument that is costly in both time
> and finances
>
> One of the nice things about Lift is that it runs on standard java web
> infrastructure so there is no extra stuff needed for deployment. It
> runs on the JVM so its easily cross-platform - i have lift apps
> running on OSX for Dev, windows and linux for deployment.
>
> Lift really does rock - the bottom line right now is that its not yet
> at 1.0, but rails had a pretty-widespread take-up between 0.9 and 1.2;
> I see the same pattern happening here. A great feature set, pragmatic
> design, and some awesome modules right out of the box. There will
> always be people who want to use what they know (otherwise we'd have
> killed off perl years ago), but there are an equal number of people
> (and therefore companies) who want to explore the edgy new technology.
> IMO, its about having balance in your toolset.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
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