On Aug 8, 3:37 am, ivo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, it has to have a good event handling model, it needs all the
> essential widgets to be able to create enterprise ready applications
> (sortable and filterable tables, trees, etc.), and it would be nice to
> include a good data source model for the widgets.
>
> What I'm talking about is something in the lines of GWT, or SmartGWT
> (http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/) or GWT-Ext
> (http://www.gwt-ext.com/demo/).
>
> I think in a couple of years one could also build enterprise UIs with
> JavaFX or Flex / Adobe Air.
>
> I'm not that familiar with JQuery, and maybe it provides an UI
> framework that can also turn out to be valid option. Right now I don't
> see it:
> - It does not have that many widgets
There are tons of JQuery plugins out there providing a tremendous
amount of widgets.
> - I suppose one still has to worry about the html page flows (as
> opposed to GWT where one can completely ignore the actual existence of
> web pages, and one can really feel just like implementing a desktop
> application) and finally
Personally I'm not at all fan of GWT. To me "worrying" about page
flows is not a bad thing. JQuery is a JavaScript framework that does a
lot of things to help building true RIA applications. Whether you
prefer GWT style or not is mostly a matter of personal opinion IIMO.
I don't like GWT because:
1. It generates a big pile of code somehow out of my control ... and
with big projects I'm just not sure how well this plays. Sure a lot of
things can be easily done with GWT .... but that's not the point.
2. It "translates" Java to HTML + JavaScript (if I remember correctly)
but to me there is a significant impedance mismatch between these
languages.
> - I don't see an integration with a data source model (but this can be
> pure ignorance from my part)
Well JQuery per se has not idea about a physical server side data-
store. That's a good thing. Thru lift you can feed data to a JQuery
plugin very easily.
>
> I know this is not the JQuery list :-) but that David's quotation
> aroused my curiosity about the Bespin + Lift project. In another
> occasion, David also said "I'm just not a fan of the GWT model". I
> wander what he meant...
>
> Anyway this is just a starting point for me, I don't have any fixed
> ideas. Please comment :-)
>
> On Aug 7, 9:27 pm, "marius d." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > What do you mean by UI framework here? Lift is pretty neatly
> > integrated with JQuery, or you can use YUI or virtually any UI
> > framework.
>
> > So what are your expectations from a UI framework?
>
> > Br's,
> > Marius
>
> > On Aug 7, 10:55 pm, ivo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi all,
>
> > > I want to start learning about promising technologies for building
> > > full stack RIAs. It doesn't need to be something very powerful today,
> > > but something that I can seriously consider for building commercial
> > > applications in 1 or 2 years from now.
>
> > > Let me divide what I mean by "full stack" into 3 parts: (1) Data
> > > backend, (2) Web framework and (3) UI framework.
>
> > > I was wondering if Lift + Goat Rodeo could be it, but I still think
> > > that the UI framework is still missing. Quoting a post from David that
> > > I found around the web: "The Bespin folks are working on a GUI builder
> > > called Thunderclap. Dion and I want to make it so that building GUI
> > > apps with Bespin and Lift is as simple as wiring up applications in OS
> > > X's Interface Builder." Do you have any other news about this project
> > > (or know where to look at)?
>
> > > Please share your thoughts...
>
> > > Thanks!
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