ivo,

The Bespin story (likewise for http://cappuccino.org/ ) is one of
integration with Lifts comet support etc... both those technologies
are all based on Javascript runtime (as is GWT) so you need to think
in more abstract terms; when we talk about integration with a client
side technology, we [the team] usually refer to integrating Lift's
main USPs with said technology. For example, making sure the comet
support works OOTB etc.

Bespin (and to that end, Thunderhead) are amazing toolkits for client
side dev, and any integration done with Lift will purely be to ensure
that our USPs work in a very seamless way - its not to say that if
there isnt "integration" with a technology you want you cant use lift,
its just that some we'll supply and some we wont.

Does that help?

Cheers, Tim

On Aug 8, 2:00 pm, ivo <[email protected]> wrote:
> So without surprise I realize that my doubts about JQuery come of my
> lack of experience with it, but in contrast my experience with GWT is
> that one really "forgets" about the generated javascript code. It is
> small, performant and it just works! If one adds SmartGWT to the
> picture, one gets tons of useful widgets, and with GAE one gets a
> persistent backend and an object model that can be shared between
> server and client. All this is what I was calling the full-stack.
>
> Nevertheless there are disadvantages, one of them being the incredible
> amount of code one has to write specially for the client (because in
> the server one can use Python or Scala as alternatives to Java.)
> Another important disadvantage is vendor lock-in.
>
> But again, my curiosity was triggered by the Bespin + Lift project.
> What is that all about really? How can we compare it to JQuery + Lift,
> or GWT, or other?
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