Lightning list, I really think that you should stop this mess and reconcentrate on technical topics
The very same did destroy the Tor-talk mailing list Based on false assumptions as we saw later Reading bulls all the day, everybody escaped Result: the Tor community can't discuss any longer Don't do the same Le 11/05/2023 à 19:48, alicexbt via Lightning-dev a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > >> I can say missing an open-source engineering meeting or being >> revoked a few Github permissions matters far less than the clear >> affirmation and respect of the freedom of expression, the presumption >> of innocence and due process in the Bitcoin common space, all >> proportions conserved. > > This is not acceptable. I will fight with you. Never feel alone. > > /devfd0 > floppy disk guy > > Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email. > > ------- Original Message ------- > On Wednesday, May 10th, 2023 at 10:27 PM, Antoine Riard > <antoine.ri...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Tony, >> >> > Is there a better place to havepubliccommunication? Unfortunately >> since one off topic email was sent here, it's been a ghost town. It >> appears that there's many emails being held and only one moderator >> that checks them once a week. >> >> As I think you're referring to my post of March 21th and as the >> author of this post, I'll politely refuse the qualification of >> "off-topic". I had and I still have the concerns of "frivolous legal >> claims" being used between bitcoin developers/organizations provoking >> a distortion of the neutrality of the development and a chilling >> effect of the technical discussions (i.e code we compile and spec we >> implement). For those reasons, it was my legal right and moral duty >> to inform the community of what is happening between Chaincode and >> myself. And here I'm following the recommendation of one of the >> moderators of the Lightning mailing list himself "If this worries you >> too, let's make sure we keep each other honest, OK?" [0]. >> >> When you think a group of people with open-source responsibilities >> are in a situation of conflict of interests or "moral hazards", or >> even the appearance of them, you have the right to expose the >> wrongdoing, including the _proportional_ revelation of private >> elements. People have done the "free choice" to conduct a career in >> open-source, for some even declaring in some context to maintain >> integrity and accept their actions to be submitted to external >> accountability [1]. While the exposure of private elements of public >> personalities might break common courtesy, it's a morally valid >> practice if you're familiar with the public institutions of US and >> Europe, and I think this practice has found validity in the history >> of open-source commons or IETF's protocol development [1]. >> >> Beyond, the Bitcoin and Lightning development communication channels >> constitute a public forum, where by nature the participants are >> exchanging ideas and defending competing interests. In consequence, >> the participants' rights and capabilities to contribute and speak >> their minds in those communication channels should be protected. >> Those communication channels are not your usual corporate workplace, >> and in case of conflicting principles, the maintainers of those >> communication channels should ensure a balance of rights and a >> proportionality in any restraining measure. >> >> And this new post is not to exonerate myself of any legal >> responsibility for personal matters that could be recognized as the >> outcome of a judicial process, respective of both rights of the >> accusation and rights of the defense. Rather to enlighten the Bitcoin >> community that the formal separation between private matters and >> open-source responsibilities, and the adequate check-and-balances to >> guarantee this separation is somehow what are the underlying stakes >> for this feud between Chaincode and myself, from my perspective. I >> can say missing an open-source engineering meeting or being revoked a >> few Github permissions matters far less than the clear affirmation >> and respect of the freedom of expression, the presumption of >> innocence and due process in the Bitcoin common space, all >> proportions conserved. >> >> I don't blame any party involved in this issue, nor assign "bad >> intentions''. One position is really a function of your life >> experiences, knowledge of the legal and cultural framework and access >> to the factual elements. As all human conflicts it is not binary >> rather "grey". People can be top executives at a billion-dollar >> company, having successful ventures with hundreds of folks under >> management, or have a lot of responsibilities for their relative >> young age, and still disagree on the set of legal and moral >> principles to apply in the present case. >> >> Finally, thanks to the Bitcoin friends who have reached out to call >> for level-headedness and cool-mindness in the public discussion of >> this complex topic. Like I said to them, in the lack of more >> suspected wrongdoing from the other side, I won't communicate further >> on this subject on the Bitcoin and Lightning technical channels. >> However I still firmly believe the discussion on the principles, >> abstract in the maximum from its private elements, should still be >> pursued on other channels. Independently, there is a legal channel >> opened between Chaincode and myself and good progress is made to find >> a serene and long-standing resolution to this issue. >> >> Best, >> Antoine >> >> [0] >> https://rusty-lightning.medium.com/the-corrosion-of-ethics-in-cryptocurrencies-f7ba77e9dfc3 >> [1] >> https://github.com/btrustteam/board-book/blob/main/vision/genesis_principles.md >> [2] >> https://www.ietf.org/about/administration/policies-procedures/conflict-interest/ >> >> Le lun. 8 mai 2023 à 21:26, Tony Giorgio via Lightning-dev >> <lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> <mailto:lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> a écrit : >> >> Is there a better place to have public communication? >> Unfortunately since one off topic email was sent here, it's been >> a ghost town. It appears that there's many emails being held and >> only one moderator that checks them once a week. >> >> Would hate to see this list die but wondering if there's a better >> place for discussions? >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> On Apr 29, 2023, 9:57 PM, niftynei < nifty...@gmail.com >> <mailto:nifty...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> When I joined the lightning community a few years ago, I was >> relatively new to open source software and specification >> work. Rusty really impressed on me on the importance of >> holding conversations, as much as possible in public. >> >> Practically speaking, this encompasses IRC, this mailing >> list, and github issues/PRs. >> >> The reason for this is twofold. It helps document the range >> of options considered for technical decisions and it provides >> an interface point for new participants to contribute to the >> discussion. >> >> Given some recent mails that were posted to this list, now >> seems like a good time to reiterate the importance and >> preference of public communication whenever possible, >> especially for specification or technical discussions. >> >> >> ~ nifty >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lightning-dev mailing list >> Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> <mailto:Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev -- Sophia-Antipolis, France CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26 GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7 A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7 Bitcoin, Ethereum, smart contracts, lightning, sidechains, Defi, DApps, NFTs, DEX, DAO explained - Centralization vs Decentralization https://gist.github.com/Ayms/04b3084a14ee202e707b3faec57ed26e Discover and Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.peersm.com Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
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