I think it's also important to realize that the historical process for town engagement will also exclude many, if not all projects that would be beneficial to Lincoln Station. The "control" that exhibits itself through town meetings and votes is a huge risk factor for developers who could lose significant money and opportunity cost if the quirks of Town Meeting result in not being approved for a project.
Not doing anything in Lincoln Station is a choice, but it may result in other serious "costs" and degradation of town character. bob On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 3:54 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: > This will all become irrelevant. > What the rezoning will do is reduce the ability of all that talent to have > ANY influence. > This rezoning allows developers to do what they please, within certain > zoning constraints. > > This rezoning creates BY-RIGHT zoning in the parcels under consideration. > > The wisdom of which you speak was exercised by committees and confirmed in > various Twon Meeting votes. > > I agree-the has been great talent and wisdom brought to the table. > It will no longer have a seat. > > This does not mean we shouldn’t give full consideration, we just must do > with eyes wide open…prepare for the worst (in terms of design) and be > pleasantly surprised if it is not. > We are at the mercy of the buyer/developer of each parcel. > Let them have mercy on us! > > ------ > Sara Mattes > > > > > On Oct 3, 2023, at 4:34 PM, David Sykes <[email protected]> wrote: > > The difference is quality. Lincoln is “protected” not only by prior land > use measures, but also by the significant presence of notable architectural > and planning professionals among its residents—a sub-community whose > members salvaged and shaped the school design process. If that > sub-community of Lincoln residents continues to exert influence, it’s > possible that a way can be found to design and build 18-25 units per acre > near the train station in a way that townspeople will appreciate. It’s > important to stress that Lincoln’s past contains numerable examples of such > “quality” decision-making. Like those, the present case will require people > of talent an imagination to emerge. Is it possible that a design > competition could elicit proposals for “imaging” what this > yet-to-be-imagined community would look like? As a board member for other > organizations, I’ve used design competitions in the past to provide > insights about potential outcomes that otherwise would have been missed. > > David Sykes, Conant Road > > > On Oct 3, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Margaret Olson <[email protected]> wrote: > > We are protected largely by the nature of our land and previous land use > measures. The conservation land and wetlands can not be built on. As a > practical matter there is no place around the train station where anything > even vaguely resembling that image could be built. Issaquah Highlands is > 2,200 acres and 4,000 homes, and that image appears to be a schematic > showing the types of housing they have. > > Once again I urge you to look at the images of our existing developments > shown in the HCA Working group presentation ( > https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/85116). That illustrates > what 17 and 18 units per acre look like* in Lincoln.* A giant 2000+ acre > development is not going to look like Lincoln - and can't be built here. > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 11:16 AM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So how are we protected from this happening ? >> I might have missed something. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ >> Sara Mattes >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 10:38 AM, Margaret Olson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> If you subtract the wetlands from the Lincoln Woods density, as we are >> required to do for the HCA calculations, the density is 17.9 units per >> acre. It’s that 17.9 that you experience as you walk around Lincoln Woods. >> >> As those of you who attended the STOTT presentations may remember, of the >> 500 acres around the train station 340 (all but 160) are excluded from HCA >> calculations because they are wetlands, institutions, water bodies, or >> conservation land. To get a sense of what 15 units per acre looks like in >> Lincoln please look at the examples in the STOTT presentation and look at >> the density that accounts for the HCA exclusions. >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:32 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Lincoln woods is 6.3 units per acre >>> Proposed Lincoln center zoning is 25 units per acre >>> >>> <image_123650291.JPG> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:47 PM John Mendelson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I had the good fortune of attending the tour of Lincoln Woods put on by >>>> FOMA yesterday after taking part in the State of the Town Meeting on >>>> Saturday. See: >>>> >>>> https://www.fomalincoln.org/outreach >>>> >>>> This densely built, multi-family development is anything but "gross." >>>> In fact, I think it is quite the opposite and in many ways, represents the >>>> best of Lincoln in terms of its ideals, collaborative problem solving, and >>>> honoring the town's history of supporting modern, human scale dwellings. >>>> >>>> Perhaps we should continue to trust the many volunteers who've put so >>>> much time in coming up with a terrific solution to both comply with the >>>> Housing Choice Act and to honor our history and values rather than to >>>> fearmonger with words and images that don't represent the good work and >>>> intentions of many residents. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 7:14 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln? >>>>> The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly NOT >>>>> something I would like to see. >>>>> Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the >>>>> Above”, but would have indicated I would support a map that shrank the >>>>> size >>>>> of the S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall, and maybe Lewis Street, >>>>> and then include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the >>>>> difference. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate the >>>>> likes of me as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each scenario? >>>>> >>>>> I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build out, and >>>>> that is my concern. >>>>> >>>>> I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love with >>>>> over 45 years ago. >>>>> Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and >>>>> intensity suggested is not what I would like to visit on future >>>>> generations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> Sara Mattes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which provides an >>>>> interactive map for viewing actual residential density for towns, >>>>> neighborhoods, and individual parcels. >>>>> https://residensity.mhp.net/ >>>>> >>>>> Don Seltzer >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all - >>>>>> >>>>>> As we start to think about what this build out is going to look like, >>>>>> it is useful to look at a couple articles that help visualize it. Also, >>>>>> I >>>>>> learned that density can be spread across a district or sub-district, >>>>>> only >>>>>> the average needs to be 15 units. But with the 36' high maximum in town, >>>>>> it will be interesting to see what the designs are. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density >>>>>> >>>>>> Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about 15 >>>>>> units per acre. Given some plots have wetlands, some will have to be >>>>>> higher and others lower to make it average out. >>>>>> >>>>>> This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts >>>>>> sells-out at the same time. 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