Margaret - Can you give us the same calculation but use sq feet instead of units? Perhaps the units are a lot smaller at Lincoln Woods? What is the sq ft per acre (net) at Lincoln woods vs Oriole Landing?
I still believe we are looking at a bunch of Oriole Landings (nice buildings on their own actually) in town and a lot cars. Guess we’ll see with Mall proposal (85 units, sq footage?) and we can extrapolate from there before the up/down vote in March. We will adjust to the congestion but will we still want to live here? My guess is this will become a turn-over town like many towns in New Jersey where people put up For Sale signs on high school graduation day. Rob On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 8:43 PM Margaret Olson <[email protected]> wrote: > The net density shown on the HCA working group slides is this math: > > (unit count) / (lot size- wetlands - conservation restrictions) = "HCA > density" > (unit count) / (lot size) = traditional net density > > For Oriole landing these numbers are: > (60 acre lot)/ (6 acre lot - 0 wetlands acres - 0 acres with conservation > restrictions) = 10 units/acre > In the Oriole Landing case the "HCA Density" and the traditional net > density are the same. > > For Lincoln Woods these numbers are: > "HCA Density": 20 acre lot - 13 acres of wetland - 0 acres with > conservation restrictions / 125 units = 17.9 units per acre > traditional net density: 20 acre lot / 125 units = 6.3 units per acre > > Note that Lincoln Woods has two apartment buildings as well as the > townhouses that dominate the view from Lincoln Road. > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:57 PM Robert Ahlert <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Would it be ok if I called Utile? Can someone provide me a contact? >> >> Sorry but am dubious that Lincoln Woods (2 stories) with some gaps >> between structures is higher “net” density than Oriole Landing (3 stories) >> with net density of 10 per the presentation. If you don’t explain, we >> should all be in doubt. >> >> My fear is that we will end up with larger Oriole Landings and many more >> of them. Is this what Lincoln is really all about? What is the upside? >> Busier stores? I don’t get it. >> >> CCBC might be more money out of my pocket but I can live with that. >> Quality of life is irreplaceable. >> >> I fully understand that our hand was forced by the state and that they >> really over stepped here. Not blaming the Working Group. They are doing >> best in bad situation. >> >> Rob A >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 5:56 PM Margaret Olson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> That article uses a somewhat different definition of gross density and >>> refers to the state’s highly complicated set of calculations. Any zoning >>> regulation we pass will be net density, as are our current zoning bylaws. >>> Utile, the consultants we hired to help us with this ( using state grant >>> money) have run the calculations on our proposed zoning options to ensure >>> we will comply. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 5:06 PM Robert Ahlert <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Margaret - according to this article, we are required to follow a gross >>>> density calculation. That’s why I’m afraid that image might be accurate. >>>> Can someone explain? >>>> >>>> >>>> https://commonwealthmagazine.org/opinion/solving-the-mbta-communities-zoning-puzzle/ >>>> >>>> Also, does anyone know the answer as to whether each property owner can >>>> sell out separately to separate developers? I don’t think there are any >>>> requirements regarding who they sell to and when. Might need a couple extra >>>> headcount in the planning department to deal with the proposals. >>>> >>>> Rob A >>>> 185 Lincoln Rd, Lincoln, MA 01773 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/185+Lincoln+Rd,+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 3:39 PM Margaret Olson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We are protected largely by the nature of our land and previous land >>>>> use measures. The conservation land and wetlands can not be built on. As a >>>>> practical matter there is no place around the train station where anything >>>>> even vaguely resembling that image could be built. Issaquah Highlands is >>>>> 2,200 acres and 4,000 homes, and that image appears to be a schematic >>>>> showing the types of housing they have. >>>>> >>>>> Once again I urge you to look at the images of our existing >>>>> developments shown in the HCA Working group presentation ( >>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/85116). That >>>>> illustrates what 17 and 18 units per acre look like* in Lincoln.* A >>>>> giant 2000+ acre development is not going to look like Lincoln - and can't >>>>> be built here. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 11:16 AM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So how are we protected from this happening ? >>>>>> I might have missed something. >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> Sara Mattes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 3, 2023, at 10:38 AM, Margaret Olson <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you subtract the wetlands from the Lincoln Woods density, as we >>>>>> are required to do for the HCA calculations, the density is 17.9 units >>>>>> per >>>>>> acre. It’s that 17.9 that you experience as you walk around Lincoln >>>>>> Woods. >>>>>> >>>>>> As those of you who attended the STOTT presentations may remember, of >>>>>> the 500 acres around the train station 340 (all but 160) are excluded >>>>>> from >>>>>> HCA calculations because they are wetlands, institutions, water bodies, >>>>>> or >>>>>> conservation land. To get a sense of what 15 units per acre looks like in >>>>>> Lincoln please look at the examples in the STOTT presentation and look at >>>>>> the density that accounts for the HCA exclusions. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:32 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Lincoln woods is 6.3 units per acre >>>>>>> Proposed Lincoln center zoning is 25 units per acre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <image_123650291.JPG> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:47 PM John Mendelson < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had the good fortune of attending the tour of Lincoln Woods put >>>>>>>> on by FOMA yesterday after taking part in the State of the Town >>>>>>>> Meeting on >>>>>>>> Saturday. See: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.fomalincoln.org/outreach >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This densely built, multi-family development is anything but >>>>>>>> "gross." In fact, I think it is quite the opposite and in many ways, >>>>>>>> represents the best of Lincoln in terms of its ideals, collaborative >>>>>>>> problem solving, and honoring the town's history of supporting modern, >>>>>>>> human scale dwellings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should continue to trust the many volunteers who've put >>>>>>>> so much time in coming up with a terrific solution to both comply with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Housing Choice Act and to honor our history and values rather than to >>>>>>>> fearmonger with words and images that don't represent the good work and >>>>>>>> intentions of many residents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 7:14 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln? >>>>>>>>> The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly >>>>>>>>> NOT something I would like to see. >>>>>>>>> Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the >>>>>>>>> Above”, but would have indicated I would support a map that shrank >>>>>>>>> the size >>>>>>>>> of the S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall, and maybe Lewis >>>>>>>>> Street, >>>>>>>>> and then include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the >>>>>>>>> difference. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate the >>>>>>>>> likes of me as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each scenario? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build out, >>>>>>>>> and that is my concern. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love >>>>>>>>> with over 45 years ago. >>>>>>>>> Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and >>>>>>>>> intensity suggested is not what I would like to visit on future >>>>>>>>> generations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>> Sara Mattes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which >>>>>>>>> provides an interactive map for viewing actual residential density for >>>>>>>>> towns, neighborhoods, and individual parcels. >>>>>>>>> https://residensity.mhp.net/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don Seltzer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As we start to think about what this build out is going to look >>>>>>>>>> like, it is useful to look at a couple articles that help visualize >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> Also, I learned that density can be spread across a district or >>>>>>>>>> sub-district, only the average needs to be 15 units. But with the >>>>>>>>>> 36' high >>>>>>>>>> maximum in town, it will be interesting to see what the designs are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about 15 >>>>>>>>>> units per acre. Given some plots have wetlands, some will have to be >>>>>>>>>> higher and others lower to make it average out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts >>>>>>>>>> sells-out at the same time. 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