On 29/1/23 15:22, David wrote:

Tom ... I would just go on setting the oven timer! ...

Yes, I use an old fashioned oven timer.

... each such application surrenders a part of humanity's autonomy
and accumulated wisdom to machines. ...

Yes, but this is not a new issue. I can recall when lifts had drivers,
often war veterans missing limbs (I found them scary). Most of Australian trains still have drivers, but some do not. In Singapore last year engineers showed me a full size autonomous city bus. There is a loss of autonomy, and flexibility with these systems. These systems are safer and more efficient. But in an emergency about all they can do is stop. https://blog.tomw.net.au/2023/01/virtual-bendy-busses-for-canberra.html

... suppose AI ... begin to be used in decision roles which Society traditionally confers on educators, the judiciary, the medical establishment, the Parliament, and so on ...

I, for one, welcome our AI overlords. ;-)

More seriously, AI is already routinely used for checking for plagiarism
in student assignments, and analysis of medical scans. Provided the AI
has been tested, is at least as good as a human, and there is human oversight, I don't have a problem.

But we have to be careful where the AI encodes biases hidden in human
decision making, or masks deliberate discrimination under a cloak of
impartial tech.

Who would provide the ongoing training? ...

AI programmed by a few experts, which creates its own problems.

... Would these AI systems train one another?

As in Colossus: The Forbin Project:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project

And of course "training" can still be subverted by naughty humans...

As the current Robodebt inquiry shows, a bureaucracy made up of people
can be subverted for illegal purposes.

... For that matter, suppose ... fatal results to the vehicle occupants? ...

Hopefully there will be standards established for cars to communicate to avoid collisions. If corporations, and programmers, don't build the systems properly, they should be held to account. But there will be ethical dilemmas in that: does a car with one occupant deliberately crash, to save the oncoming packed family wagon?

Delegating human affairs to AI systems on the scale you suggest is simply incompatible with human society in my view.

Perhaps. But how many preventable accidents, higher costs, less well
educated children, and innocent people sent to jail, are we willing to
accept as a result of not using AI?



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Tom Worthington, http://www.tomw.net.au
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