When I posted in the iinet section of whirlpool i was attacked by a group of trolls who acted like 3 year olds. They had posts banned for personal attacks and trolling. Not me. If I have been banned at any point for trolling or personal attacks then I am not aware of this. I engaged in no such things.
This is in part a technical issue. But its overarching theme of shafting as a company practice makes it relevant to this mail list. I have no idea what top posting is. Explain. I wasn't brought up with mailing lists. I don't know any of these terms. iinet have refused to respond in any way to my Ombudsman's submission with its deadline of next Friday. They would have got the submission yesterday. They have my email, phone no and heck my street address. THere is no funny business going on? Seriously????????????????????????????????????????? And I'm a carpenter. Andrew On 22/10/2013 12:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Send Link mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Link digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in > Australia? (Andrew Thornton) > 2. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in > Australia? (Michael Skeggs [email protected]) > 3. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in > Australia? (Andrew Thornton) > 4. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in > Australia? (Andy Farkas) > 5. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in > Australia? (Jeremy Visser) > 6. Crazy clever phishing (?) (Jan Whitaker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:05:01 +1100 > From: Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> > Subject: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen > in Australia? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Hello > IInet has engaged in unethical and > unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come across > before: > > I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 years > without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason slowed > down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they ran me > around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for malware > etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, after > I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did > iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two pieces of > evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a pattern > that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges to a > crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet ftp > sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I lodged a > fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have > submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to respond. > They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are concerned. > Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge of 59 > dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? I had > to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata refund. > They better have kept to that. > > The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot if I > leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person business > in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages take 20 > minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and > Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses Zbrush. It > is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more by my > inability to use video content. > > Anyway, to me there is only 1 explanation > that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use about > 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. Then > they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more cash. > This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, anti-customer > ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few days ago > iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was "iinet > knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of ripping you > off and shafting you. > > I have also been censored by whirlpool.com.au > where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet > section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. This > shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert where free > speech is not permitted. > > Internet in this country has a long, long way > to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it is a > cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products that are > rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose internet > use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I had no > idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived > company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who double > crossed me over extra books. > > Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you DON'T > get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company just turns > around and screws you in the hunt for profit. > > Andrew > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:15:52 +1100 > From: "Michael Skeggs [email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this > happen in Australia? > To: Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> > Cc: Link List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CAOJkbNeR-eSxa22SF-14gUyfiAkTzBC4dfpQ2BR9L=ju-_q...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Andrew, > I'm not sure why you are concluding ill will on iinet's part rather than an > error? > Have you perhaps used all your "peak" hours quota and are being throttled > back? > In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this - it looks > like a technical support issue to me, unless you have something to indicate > otherwise? > Hope you get it sorted. > Regards, > Michael Skeggs > > > On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hello >> IInet has engaged in unethical and >> unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come across >> before: >> >> I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 years >> without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason slowed >> down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they ran me >> around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for malware >> etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, after >> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did >> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two pieces of >> evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a pattern >> that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges to a >> crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet ftp >> sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I lodged a >> fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have >> submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to respond. >> They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are concerned. >> Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge of 59 >> dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? I had >> to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata refund. >> They better have kept to that. >> >> The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot if I >> leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person business >> in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages take 20 >> minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and >> Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses Zbrush. It >> is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more by my >> inability to use video content. >> >> Anyway, to me there is only 1 explanation >> that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use about >> 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. Then >> they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more cash. >> This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, anti-customer >> ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few days ago >> iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was "iinet >> knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of ripping you >> off and shafting you. >> >> I have also been censored by whirlpool.com.au >> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet >> section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. This >> shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert where free >> speech is not permitted. >> >> Internet in this country has a long, long way >> to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it is a >> cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products that are >> rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose internet >> use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I had no >> idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived >> company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who double >> crossed me over extra books. >> >> Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you DON'T >> get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company just turns >> around and screws you in the hunt for profit. >> >> Andrew >> _______________________________________________ >> Link mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:23:25 +1100 > From: Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this > happen in Australia? > To: [email protected] > Cc: Link List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > No. I have not used all the peak hours. I may have been incorrectly > given a shaped profile. If that is the case then the profile should be > fixed at their end. > > I disagree that this is a technical issue. > > As for the conclusion of ill will rather than an error...well call it 38 > years of life and having seen how people work. If it is an error then > why don't they FIX it or at least TELL me what is going on. No. There is > no error. It is some silly business that they are hiding. > > Andrew > > > On 21/10/2013 4:15 PM, Michael Skeggs [email protected] wrote: >> Hi Andrew, >> I'm not sure why you are concluding ill will on iinet's part rather >> than an error? >> Have you perhaps used all your "peak" hours quota and are being >> throttled back? >> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this - it >> looks like a technical support issue to me, unless you have something >> to indicate otherwise? >> Hope you get it sorted. >> Regards, >> Michael Skeggs >> >> >> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello >> IInet has engaged in unethical and >> unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come >> across >> before: >> >> I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 >> years >> without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason slowed >> down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they ran me >> around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for >> malware >> etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, >> after >> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did >> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two pieces of >> evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a pattern >> that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges to a >> crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet ftp >> sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I lodged a >> fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have >> submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to respond. >> They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are concerned. >> Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge of 59 >> dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? >> I had >> to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata refund. >> They better have kept to that. >> >> The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot >> if I >> leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person business >> in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages >> take 20 >> minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and >> Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses Zbrush. It >> is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more by my >> inability to use video content. >> >> Anyway, to me there is only 1 explanation >> that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use >> about >> 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. >> Then >> they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more cash. >> This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, anti-customer >> ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few >> days ago >> iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was "iinet >> knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of >> ripping you >> off and shafting you. >> >> I have also been censored by >> whirlpool.com.au <http://whirlpool.com.au> >> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet >> section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. >> This >> shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert >> where free >> speech is not permitted. >> >> Internet in this country has a long, long way >> to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it >> is a >> cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products >> that are >> rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose internet >> use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I had no >> idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived >> company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who >> double >> crossed me over extra books. >> >> Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you >> DON'T >> get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company just turns >> around and screws you in the hunt for profit. >> >> Andrew >> _______________________________________________ >> Link mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:56:10 +1000 > From: Andy Farkas <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this > happen in Australia? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 21/10/2013 4:15 PM, Michael Skeggs [email protected] wrote: >>> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this > Correct. Also, top-posting should be banned. > >>> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Only about a week ago, >>> after >>> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did >>> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. > So iinet admit it was their fault. Did they tell you what the fault was? > Did they fix it? > >>> I have also been censored by >>> whirlpool.com.au <http://whirlpool.com.au> >>> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet >>> section of the forum. > I just finished reading the thread at > <http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2167624> > and it seems obvious why you were banned. > > "User #249731 tooold2rock 2013-Oct-13, 7:16 pm > This post was hidden by a moderator (personal attack)" > > "User #249731 tooold2rock 2013-Oct-14, 8:07 am > This post was hidden by a moderator (trolling)" > > etc. > > -andyf > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:42:06 +1100 > From: Jeremy Visser <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this > happen in Australia? > To: Link List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On 21/10/2013, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: >> I may have been incorrectly given a shaped profile. >> >> I disagree that this is a technical issue. > > As someone who works for an ISP, and (just maybe) knows a thing or two about > these kinds of issues -- if a shaping profile was incorrectly applied, how is > that *not* a technical issue? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:29:26 +1100 > From: Jan Whitaker <[email protected]> > Subject: [LINK] Crazy clever phishing (?) > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Just got this one. The sending address was not > connected to anything in this email itself of > course, so reply would only get you in trouble. > The line that gives it away is this one: > Free air round trip tickets to attend this > meeting will be provided to all participants. > > Seriously? Searching on the name of the conference exposes the fraud. > Jan > > Subject: Fwd: 2013 USA CONFERENCE/INVITATION!!!! > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> You are cordially invited to participate in the >> forth-coming conference /World Conference on >> Human Rights (W.C.H.R) against Child Protection >> & HIV/AIDS Treatment, Prostitution, Sex Work and >> forced Labor.is scheduled to take place from >> November 20th ? 23rd, 2013, in California at Los >> Angeles Convention Center in the United States >> and in Dakar-Senegal, from November 25th -28th, >> 2013. The global congress is hosted by the >> Campaign against Child Labor Coalition and >> sponsored by Stanford Human Rights Education >> Initiative (SHREI) and Bill & Melinda Gates >> Foundation, The William J. Clinton Foundation >> and other benevolent donors worldwide. >> >> Note that all interested delegates that requires >> entry visa to enter the United States to attend >> this meeting will be assisted by the >> organization, inobtaining the visa in their >> passport. Free air round trip tickets to attend >> this meeting will be provided to all >> participants. The Workshop welcomes paper >> presentation from any interested participants >> willing to present papers during the meeting. >> >> For registration information you are to contact >> the conference secretariat via Email: [email protected] >> >> Please share the information with your colleagues. >> >> Sincerely, >> Mrs Natalia TiiNa >> E-mail: [email protected] >> (M.D) Activities Coordinator > > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > [email protected] > > Sooner or later, I hate to break it to you, > you're gonna die, so how do you fill in the space > between here and there? It's yours. Seize your space. > ~Margaret Atwood, writer > > _ __________________ _ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > > > End of Link Digest, Vol 251, Issue 18 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ Link mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link
