I also congratulate any members of this forum who treat whirlpool moderators as God-like , upstanding saints. Do have to spell it out????
WHIRLPOOL IS ONLY INTERESTED IN KEEPING MICHAEL MALONE AND OTHER CEO'S HAPPY. wHIRLPOOL censors my posts and says nonsense like trolling when I was engaged in perfectly valid comment. WHIRLPOOL IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR ISPS - it's not interested in free speech or opinions other than saying "that ISP is fantastic, iinet knows business,,,ya ya ya...the whole goddamn propaganda fest..." Andrew On 22/10/2013 5:52 PM, Andrew Thornton wrote: > > When I posted in the iinet section of whirlpool i was attacked by a > group of trolls who acted like 3 year olds. They had posts banned for > personal attacks and trolling. Not me. If I have been banned at any > point for trolling or personal attacks then I am not aware of this. I > engaged in no such things. > > This is in part a technical issue. But its overarching theme of > shafting as a company practice makes it relevant to this mail list. > > I have no idea what top posting is. Explain. I wasn't brought up with > mailing lists. I don't know any of these terms. > > iinet have refused to respond in any way to my Ombudsman's submission > with its deadline of next Friday. They would have got the submission > yesterday. They have my email, phone no and heck my street address. > THere is no funny business going on? > Seriously????????????????????????????????????????? > > And I'm a carpenter. > > Andrew > > > > On 22/10/2013 12:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> Send Link mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Link digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in >> Australia? (Andrew Thornton) >> 2. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in >> Australia? (Michael Skeggs [email protected]) >> 3. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in >> Australia? (Andrew Thornton) >> 4. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in >> Australia? (Andy Farkas) >> 5. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in >> Australia? (Jeremy Visser) >> 6. Crazy clever phishing (?) (Jan Whitaker) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:05:01 +1100 >> From: Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> >> Subject: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen >> in Australia? >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> >> Hello >> IInet has engaged in unethical and >> unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come across >> before: >> >> I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 >> years >> without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason slowed >> down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they ran me >> around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for malware >> etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, after >> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did >> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two pieces of >> evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a pattern >> that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges to a >> crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet ftp >> sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I lodged a >> fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have >> submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to respond. >> They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are concerned. >> Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge of 59 >> dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? I had >> to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata refund. >> They better have kept to that. >> >> The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot if I >> leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person business >> in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages take 20 >> minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and >> Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses Zbrush. It >> is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more by my >> inability to use video content. >> >> Anyway, to me there is only 1 explanation >> that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use about >> 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. Then >> they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more cash. >> This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, anti-customer >> ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few days ago >> iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was "iinet >> knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of ripping you >> off and shafting you. >> >> I have also been censored by whirlpool.com.au >> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet >> section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. This >> shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert where free >> speech is not permitted. >> >> Internet in this country has a long, long way >> to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it is a >> cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products that are >> rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose internet >> use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I had no >> idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived >> company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who double >> crossed me over extra books. >> >> Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you DON'T >> get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company just turns >> around and screws you in the hunt for profit. >> >> Andrew >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:15:52 +1100 >> From: "Michael Skeggs [email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this >> happen in Australia? >> To: Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> >> Cc: Link List <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <CAOJkbNeR-eSxa22SF-14gUyfiAkTzBC4dfpQ2BR9L=ju-_q...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Andrew, >> I'm not sure why you are concluding ill will on iinet's part rather >> than an >> error? >> Have you perhaps used all your "peak" hours quota and are being >> throttled >> back? >> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this - it >> looks >> like a technical support issue to me, unless you have something to >> indicate >> otherwise? >> Hope you get it sorted. >> Regards, >> Michael Skeggs >> >> >> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello >>> IInet has engaged in unethical and >>> unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come across >>> before: >>> >>> I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 >>> years >>> without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason slowed >>> down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they ran me >>> around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for >>> malware >>> etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, >>> after >>> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did >>> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two pieces of >>> evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a pattern >>> that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges to a >>> crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet ftp >>> sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I lodged a >>> fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have >>> submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to respond. >>> They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are concerned. >>> Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge of 59 >>> dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? I had >>> to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata refund. >>> They better have kept to that. >>> >>> The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot >>> if I >>> leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person business >>> in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages >>> take 20 >>> minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and >>> Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses Zbrush. It >>> is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more by my >>> inability to use video content. >>> >>> Anyway, to me there is only 1 explanation >>> that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use >>> about >>> 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. Then >>> they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more cash. >>> This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, anti-customer >>> ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few days >>> ago >>> iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was "iinet >>> knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of ripping you >>> off and shafting you. >>> >>> I have also been censored by whirlpool.com.au >>> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet >>> section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. This >>> shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert where >>> free >>> speech is not permitted. >>> >>> Internet in this country has a long, long way >>> to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it is a >>> cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products that are >>> rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose internet >>> use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I had no >>> idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived >>> company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who double >>> crossed me over extra books. >>> >>> Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you >>> DON'T >>> get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company just turns >>> around and screws you in the hunt for profit. >>> >>> Andrew >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Link mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:23:25 +1100 >> From: Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this >> happen in Australia? >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Link List <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> No. I have not used all the peak hours. I may have been incorrectly >> given a shaped profile. If that is the case then the profile should be >> fixed at their end. >> >> I disagree that this is a technical issue. >> >> As for the conclusion of ill will rather than an error...well call it 38 >> years of life and having seen how people work. If it is an error then >> why don't they FIX it or at least TELL me what is going on. No. There is >> no error. It is some silly business that they are hiding. >> >> Andrew >> >> >> On 21/10/2013 4:15 PM, Michael Skeggs [email protected] wrote: >>> Hi Andrew, >>> I'm not sure why you are concluding ill will on iinet's part rather >>> than an error? >>> Have you perhaps used all your "peak" hours quota and are being >>> throttled back? >>> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this - it >>> looks like a technical support issue to me, unless you have something >>> to indicate otherwise? >>> Hope you get it sorted. >>> Regards, >>> Michael Skeggs >>> >>> >>> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello >>> IInet has engaged in unethical and >>> unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come >>> across >>> before: >>> >>> I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 >>> years >>> without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason >>> slowed >>> down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they >>> ran me >>> around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for >>> malware >>> etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, >>> after >>> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, >>> did >>> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two >>> pieces of >>> evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a >>> pattern >>> that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges >>> to a >>> crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet >>> ftp >>> sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I >>> lodged a >>> fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have >>> submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to >>> respond. >>> They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are >>> concerned. >>> Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge >>> of 59 >>> dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? >>> I had >>> to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata >>> refund. >>> They better have kept to that. >>> >>> The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot >>> if I >>> leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person >>> business >>> in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages >>> take 20 >>> minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and >>> Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses >>> Zbrush. It >>> is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more >>> by my >>> inability to use video content. >>> >>> Anyway, to me there is only 1 >>> explanation >>> that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use >>> about >>> 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. >>> Then >>> they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more >>> cash. >>> This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, >>> anti-customer >>> ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few >>> days ago >>> iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was >>> "iinet >>> knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of >>> ripping you >>> off and shafting you. >>> >>> I have also been censored by >>> whirlpool.com.au <http://whirlpool.com.au> >>> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet >>> section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. >>> This >>> shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert >>> where free >>> speech is not permitted. >>> >>> Internet in this country has a long, >>> long way >>> to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it >>> is a >>> cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products >>> that are >>> rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose >>> internet >>> use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I >>> had no >>> idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived >>> company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who >>> double >>> crossed me over extra books. >>> >>> Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you >>> DON'T >>> get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company >>> just turns >>> around and screws you in the hunt for profit. >>> >>> Andrew >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Link mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:56:10 +1000 >> From: Andy Farkas <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this >> happen in Australia? >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 21/10/2013 4:15 PM, Michael Skeggs [email protected] wrote: >>>> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this >> Correct. Also, top-posting should be banned. >> >>>> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Only about a week ago, >>>> after >>>> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so >>>> on, did >>>> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. >> So iinet admit it was their fault. Did they tell you what the fault was? >> Did they fix it? >> >>>> I have also been censored by >>>> whirlpool.com.au <http://whirlpool.com.au> >>>> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the >>>> iinet >>>> section of the forum. >> I just finished reading the thread at >> <http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2167624> >> and it seems obvious why you were banned. >> >> "User #249731 tooold2rock 2013-Oct-13, 7:16 pm >> This post was hidden by a moderator (personal attack)" >> >> "User #249731 tooold2rock 2013-Oct-14, 8:07 am >> This post was hidden by a moderator (trolling)" >> >> etc. >> >> -andyf >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:42:06 +1100 >> From: Jeremy Visser <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this >> happen in Australia? >> To: Link List <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On 21/10/2013, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Thornton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I may have been incorrectly given a shaped profile. >>> >>> I disagree that this is a technical issue. >> >> As someone who works for an ISP, and (just maybe) knows a thing or >> two about these kinds of issues -- if a shaping profile was >> incorrectly applied, how is that *not* a technical issue? >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:29:26 +1100 >> From: Jan Whitaker <[email protected]> >> Subject: [LINK] Crazy clever phishing (?) >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed >> >> Just got this one. The sending address was not >> connected to anything in this email itself of >> course, so reply would only get you in trouble. >> The line that gives it away is this one: >> Free air round trip tickets to attend this >> meeting will be provided to all participants. >> >> Seriously? Searching on the name of the conference exposes the fraud. >> Jan >> >> Subject: Fwd: 2013 USA CONFERENCE/INVITATION!!!! >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> You are cordially invited to participate in the >>> forth-coming conference /World Conference on >>> Human Rights (W.C.H.R) against Child Protection >>> & HIV/AIDS Treatment, Prostitution, Sex Work and >>> forced Labor.is scheduled to take place from >>> November 20th ? 23rd, 2013, in California at Los >>> Angeles Convention Center in the United States >>> and in Dakar-Senegal, from November 25th -28th, >>> 2013. 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Seize your space. >> ~Margaret Atwood, writer >> >> _ __________________ _ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Link mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link >> >> >> End of Link Digest, Vol 251, Issue 18 >> ************************************* > _______________________________________________ Link mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link
