Lionel: SAF is a tool for customers migrating from VIF to z/VM. In that respect, it meets its objectives (and apparently doesn't meet yours). I'm sorry, but I think you're trying to use a screwdriver to remove a nail.
Romney On Mon, 13 May 2002 19:58:12 -0700 Lionel Dyck said: >My comments was based on how I would have architected SAF - I have no idea >how SAF was actually architected but the results indicate to me that there >was no extensive functionality/usability design effort for SAF >architecture. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead >Kaiser Permanente Information Technology >25 N. Via Monte Ave >Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 > >Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) >AIM: lbdyck > > > >Romney White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent by: Linux on 390 Port <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >05/13/2002 05:27 PM >Please respond to Linux on 390 Port > > >To >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >cc > >bcc > >Subject >Re: SAF in zVM V4R2 Express Installation > > > >Lionel: > >I think it's easy to say that SAF could eliminate its control of the >directory but also trivial to construct a counterexample situation >that would deliver you to the base VM tools rather rudely, with no way >of going back. If you're right, an existence proof would be (a) easy >and (b) incontrovertible proof. > >Romney > >On Mon, 13 May 2002 15:03:25 -0700 Lionel Dyck said: >>Let me add that it wouldn't take much, imho, for IBM to make SAF >>semi-usable. If they would remove the lock down on the user direct so >>that one could add other vm guests (e.g. cms, perf monitor, ...) then it >>would be nearly ok. >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead >>Kaiser Permanente Information Technology >>25 N. Via Monte Ave >>Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 >> >>Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) >>E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) >>AIM: lbdyck >> >>Linux on 390 Port <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/13/2002 02:34:34 >>PM: >> >>> Hank, >>> >>> You really don't want to try to manage your Linux/390 guests with SAF. >>It >>> wasn't meant for that, and IBM won't enhance it beyond its current >>> functionality. It was intended solely for the purpose of migrating >from >>VIF >>> to z/VM, and has caused Lionel Dyck an untold amount of grief whenever >>he >>> tries to push it beyond that. It's your choice, of course, but you can >>burn >>> a lot of time trying to get it to do what you need and it's not meant >to >>> provide. >>> >>> Mark Post >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Hank Calzaretta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:03 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: SAF in zVM V4R2 Express Installation >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've just installed zVM V4R2 using the "Express Installation Method". I >>> would like to use the "System Administration Facility" (SAF) to manage >>Linux >>> instances. I sign on as MAINT and issue the command "VMADMCTL START" >>and I >>> get "Unknow CP/CMS Command". Is anyone aware of any special "LINKs" I >>have >>> to do to locate the VMADMCTL or VMADMIN commands? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Hank Calzaretta
