Hi Dave,

Dave Kreuter and his folks at VM Resources, LTD was working on a product
(LINMAN I believe it was called) that would automate Linux image management
and cloning (among other things).  I'm pretty sure it had VM:Secure,
DIRMAINT and RACF interfaces as well.

Give him a call at 905-660-3639 and see if LINMAN will do what you need to
do, might be a good way.

I doubt you'll ever see a WWW interface to VM, particularly with regards to
z/VM administration and build issues.  But once you have your VM system up
and stable, and you have some "user friendly" tools like LINMAN to help you
with Linux image management - I think you'll find that you really don't need
to do a LOT with VM beyond that (you CAN do a lot, a TREMENDOUS amount, with
VM - particularly with regards to task automation, backups, etc. etc. - but
if you just want it as a hypervisor it can be, largely, ignored).  So
bringing in a consultant to do the initial VM work might not be such a bad
or expensive proposition in the long term (disclaimer:  I AM a VM
consultant!).  :)


Michael Coffin, President
MC Consulting Company, Inc.
57 Tamarack Drive
Stoughton, Massachusetts  02072

(781) 344-9837

www.mccci.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SAF in zVM V4R2 Express Installation


In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:21:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> There are simply too many knobs, levers, bells, whistles, and portals
> that have developed over the last 30 years to allow a meaningful
> simplification of the magnitude imposed by SAF and VIF.  How does one
> create a 2nd level system without learning enough directory management
> to make SAF unnecessary?  Chicken and the egg.
>

When USS came out, I dug in and learned it right away...
As soon as S/390 Linux came out, I started playing around with it...

Now, I'll be doing the same with z/VM...(hopefully...if I can talk
management into a z800!)

BUT (big but :).....IBM is losing and will lose many S/390 Linux customers
because the Unix and NT guys aren't going to want to learn the complexities
of z/VM. And...they will use the fact that there is not a good user
interface (www?) for z/VM to convince management to stay away from S/390
Linux... Hiring a VM specialist or spending money on z/VM education is going
to be a tough sell!!! I'd like to see a supported WWW frontend developed for
z/VM...at least for common admin tasks and as a cloning tool.

My opinon...
Dave

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