Hello from Gregg C Levine For what its worth, to me, I agree with both Adam, having met him, and Jay Maynard, have used the software he has managed, and with John Summerfield. Especially since for my needs, and current amount of business monies, something from PWD, is out of the question. Now. Maybe later, but not now. Now if one of you, would ask me which versions of which software items I'm interested, and off list, I'd be delighted to answer. I can tell you, that the items in question are in the VM sphere of influence however. ------------------- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke."� Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
> -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Adam Thornton > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] OT: FlexEs, Hercules, others > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 03:10:23PM -0500, Peter D. Ward wrote: > > What you paint is a false dilemma. One merely needs to correspond > > with those whose posts on Hercules indicate z/VM use, from which one > > can determine that the vast majority trade illegitimately for their own > > pecuniary purposes. > > I'm not sure I believe all of this statement. > > I will grant that the majority (I'm not sure how you define "vast") of > people running z/VM on Hercules are not doing so legally; other than the > IBM folks who are entitled to use it, and myself (running on Linux/390), > I'm unaware of anyone else running z/VM legally. Still, I don't think > that the total z/VM user pool on Hercules is very large at all, and if > there are a few other people like me (or IBMmers running z/VM legally > because they're IBMmers), then "vast" may be a misnomer. > > However, I don't think that the majority of these people are doing so > for their own pecuniary purposes. I will grant that some are. > > I'm curious as to how broadly you define "pecuniary purposes". I > seriously doubt that a majority--let alone a vast majority--of the > people running z/VM on Hercules are doing so for direct financial > benefit by providing VM services on the platform. I think that number > is very small. I think the number of people actively developing > commercial VM apps on Hercules running z/VM is very small too. These > are the uses I would consider "pecuniary purposes." I do not, of > course, have any data to back up my suppositions, and anyone who would > admit in public to either of these two things in the absence of a z/VM > license for Hercules (and thus give us that data), is an idiot. > > I suspect that most people running z/VM are doing it simply because they > can. This, by the way, is the reason I run an Atari 2600 emulator on > Linux/390--I have a perfectly good (OK, OK, mostly good--one of the pins > on the left controller connector is flaky) Atari 2600 here, and I can > run Stella just fine on Linux/x86 too. Same with Bochs and Basilisk II; > I also have much better ways to run NT or a Mac, but it's fun to see if > it'll fly. Fact is, it's also the reason I'm running z/VM on Hercules > under Linux/390; I have no pressing problem that's being solved by > making my VM system run 100 times slower. > > However, it strikes me that you may consider putting a z/VM system down > on Hercules in order to learn how to operate z/VM, and then, having done > that, selling your services as a z/VM systems programmer, to be > "pecuniary purposes." If so, then the number probably does go up quite > a bit. I don't view this as "pecuniary purposes," myself, any more than > I did learning Linux by playing with a Linux box and then being able to > eventually sell my Linux skills. Do you include self-education in > "pecuniary purposes?" > > Adam
