Alan Cox wrote:
Well.. we can only assume that RH wanted to avoid the
expense of RHL in light of the much better supported
and maintained external efforts (like Fedora).


You can make money on a straight forard Linux distribution,
and indeed several vendors do that. Fedora is about fixing a
much more fundmanetal problem - the things that developers want and
the things large corporate customers want don't just differ
but conflict. So now there are two seperate things.

Sigh....


So (trying to get a straightforward answer)....

Are you saying that Red Hat's RHL was always targeted
at the corporate customer?  I don't think so.

Didn't everyone tend to feel that Red Hat produced
RHAS because "the things that developers want and the
things large corporate customers want don't just differ
but conflict"?  Very likely.

Or was that the whole issue?  Did RHAS not come out
early enough on so that many considered RHL, even
after the appearance of RHAS, to be a fully supported
product from RH (which was implied by the RHN
subscription mechanism)??

I guess what I'm hearing is that until the creation
of "Fedora(tm)" and RHEL, Red Hat really did NOT portray
clearly the distinction that existed (IMHO) already
between RHL and RHAS.  Is that it??



One of them is boring, behind the leading edge and slowly updating (and all the other things that make developers unhappy and CIO's delighted), the other is much more like the old old Red Hat - 3 or so releases a year, people stamping CD's of it cheap and so on. Its leading edge, fast changing, has cool new technologies on it that developers and hackers like but your average CIO really doesn't want.

Uhh... yes... we agree. I certainly did not have any problem with the goals of Fedora... which.. in summary were to "fix the shortcomings of RHL". That is to say, RHL, which was designed to be a boxed hobbiest version of Red Hat, simply could not address the needs of the market it was targetting. So, many external projects were formed and ultimately, Fedora became the most coordinated/active of the bunch.

And so.. we assume (we have to assume since no clear answer
seems to be given) that Red Hat opted out of RHL production
(which I assumed.. saved Red Hat quite a bit of money) and
turned it over (with some RH help of course... and apparently
some "guidance") to the community based Fedora project which
proved it was much, much better than Red Hat at delivering what
the consumer wanted (more updates, better support).

Sounds like Fedora was able to release the product that
RHL should have been and many recognized that.  So much
that RH moved RHL completely to Fedora (normally a company
does not eliminate a "good" revenue stream... thus all
of the assumptions surrounding all of this).  I can't help but
feel that some of the original ideas of the original
Fedora team are at odds with RH... but given the current
circumstances... probably not an issue anymore (?).
(perhaps Warren finally got paid.. not with a red cap?)

I'm sorry... seems the more I talk to RH or Fedora(tm)
the more confused it all seems to get.... but I will
admit, there is a common thread of what I'll call
hatspeak: A RH sponsored spinoff of orginal
community generated truth.

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