<rant>
You really need to educate your management that just because you have RACF on z/OS  
doesn't mean you have it for VM.  If you have two cars, an oldsmobile and a toyota, 
and the toyota has a steering wheel, that doesn't mean the oldsmobile can use it at 
the same time.  RACF for VM and RACF for z/OS are two different products and require 
two different licenses.

Let me recommend VM:Secure in place of RACF.  It's a much better product, easier to 
use and far more capable.

And let your management know that running without an ESM is just an invitation to 
hackers, both internal and external.  VM's built-in security is pretty good, but 
someone knowlegeable in VM systems can break it.  (True story:  About 18 years ago I 
got a job as SP with a small company that had a fairly new VM system.  First day, I 
said I'd need a userid.  The boss said the guy that gives userids was out that day.  
Six minutes later, I went back to him, having logged on as MAINT, and told him his 
security sucked.  They didn't have an ESM.  Six minutes to log on to maint without 
knowing a thing about the system beforehand.  Old-timers will know exactly how I did 
it.)

Finally, what company do you work for?  So that I'll know never to apply there.  I 
already have enough problems with clueless management where I work now.
</rant>

All that said, the answer to your question, "is it possible to authenticate VM against 
LDAP on z/OS?"  The answer is, in principle, yes.  The real, practical, answer is no.

VM does not interface with LDAP directly.  There are no products on the market or 
available for download, to the best of my knowledge with 21 years of experience with 
VM, that will allow you to do this.

So what you are left with is writing your own.  IBM supplies the ESM stubs (HCPRPI, 
HCPRPW and the like) that allow this and provides documentation (somewhere) about how 
to write ESM interfaces.  You could, in principle, if you are a REALLY good assembler 
programmer (and writing assembler code for CP is two orders of magnitude harder than 
writing application code in assembler) you could write an interface to have VM contact 
a remote LDAP for authentication, possibly over CTC's or hypersockets.  You'd have to 
have some kind of default authentication in there in case communications were down or 
z/OS was down.  This is not a job I'd want to try.  Just writing three CP exits a few 
years ago took me four months full time and I crashed the second-level system more 
than 400 times and the first-level system (when I put the exits on it) about half a 
dozen times.  I learned more about CP internals and how to use VMDUMPTL than I ever 
wanted to know.  Do you have the time to take on this project?  You could farm it out, 
but, frankly, buying RACF or VMSecure would be cheaper.

"An Optimist is just a Pessimist with no job experience" - Scott Adams
Gordon W. Wolfe, Ph.D. Boeing VM Enterprise Servers 425-865-5940


-----Original Message-----
From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Securing VM using LDAP?


Is it possible to set up VM that you  can authenticate against LDAP? We
don't have RACF for VM and our management will not currently sign off on
'paying for something we already have'. As we have RACF for z/OS, and we
don't run z/os under vm, is it possible at all to have VM authenticate use
id's via LDAP?

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