> On Tuesday, 02/05/2008 at 09:40 EST, David Boyes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > There are some good arguments for doing the NJE processing directly
in
> > the Linux guest if you're dealing with personal information (no
chance
> > for it to be intercepted in the VM spooling area).
> 
> Red herring.  The contents of a virtual machine are potentially on
dasd at
> any time, so the choice of protocol is not relevant to security.

Specious argument: pages are in shared core at any time as well, but
that's a different argument. AFAIK, CP paging decisions are not directly
accessible inside a guest in any programmatic form (other than
generating bad behavior to get yourself paged out, which is
counterproductive if you're trying to intercept things), whereas spool
access is fairly easy. That's why I said "some good arguments". Never
claimed it to be exhaustive, or definitive. 
 
> > (VSE is so much better behaved as a VM guest. Would it really be
such a
> > big deal to add VM UR device support to z/OS permanently? *sigh*)
> Have you opened a PMR with z/OS (JES2?) support to indicate that
> <whatever> isn't working when running as a guest?  They sure aren't
going
> to change anything unless people open up PMRs.  

You can't ask the support people to change something that doesn't exist
in the product -- that triggers the "function not in product" response
and the PMR gets closed SUGG (which pretty much is a black hole, viewed
externally). Unless its changed recently, there's nothing equivalent to
the simple ",VM" option that VSE has for UR devices. That takes us into
the realm of requirements, and we've been there recently. 

AFAIK, JES development has rejected this requirement 8 times that I'm
aware of in the last 27 years. At some point, one takes "no" at face
value, and goes back to coding the JES mods needed to get the job done. 

-- db

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