Well, trying to look on the bright side of things, this might produce TOC/TOA
data between
Marist and KSU that is directly comparable. My money is on Marist coming out
on top in
such a comparison.....
Dodds, Jim wrote:
Good luck with that. My management here too is going to throw out the
mainframe. We
(IT) were establishing working relationships with Marist, IBM, and the ERP
vendor to
get our new university ERP system to run under z/Linux but upper management
caught wind
of it and made us stop. Marist I assume is going on with the project to move
their
university ERP system (which will be the same as ours) to z/Linux. So now we are
planning on spending close to $200,000 on Dell hardware and Microsoft server
software.
This doesn't include the licenses for the Oracle software.
Jim Dodds Systems Programmer Kentucky State University 400 East Main Street
Frankfort,
Ky 40601 502 597 6114
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Behalf Of Erik N Johnson Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:53 AM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?
It is very true, however, that you can run several LPARs with Linux/390 on
them. Also,
MVS is available for free nowadays, as well as several other major components
that run
on the pre-Z 360-derivatives. So although you won't be able to teach your kids
VM you
CAN show them what IBM big iron can do. Have you approached anybody with the
IBM
academic initiatives program? Both Marist and Colorado have Z systems which
they will
provide accounts on for students. My university (Northern Illinois University)
is
getting this from Marist, as our administration have their heads on backwards.
Some
Microsoft evangelist has convinced a bunch of our administrators that our
ESA/390s are
dinosaurs that need to be surplussed and replaced by a cluster of x86 boxen
running
peoplesoft on windows server. It's complete garbage and it means they're going
to tell
IBM (who was going to give us a brand new z10 bc next year) to get stuffed.
Does anybody know where I could point out to my administration what a HUGE
mistake they
are making? Our curriculum has been based around the IBM mainframe for half a
century!
I can only imagine having been forced to learn x86 assembler... *shudder*.
When did
people forget that IBM > Intel?!?!
Erik Johnson
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Summerfield
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Andrew Wiley wrote:
Andrew,
Unless you already have a release of VM on this hardware, you can't get a VM
that
will run on this hardware anymore. So you are pretty much out of luck.
IBM does have an academic initiative which provides incentives for higher
education on System z:
Well, this is a high school computer science course, so we don't have much
budget
and, quite frankly, we aren't a priority in... anything.
However, the machine I'm investigating is being offered by a local business
that's
decommissioning it, and I can ask if they plan to include VM. Assuming they do,
could the machine be useful? It wouldn't be used under high load; it would be
hosting student projects.
It's 31-bit, so recent SLES and RHEL don't run on it because those are 64-bit.
Debian
probably does, and Slack might.
This might be a time when, depending on just what you want, a nice HP DC5850[1]
(desktop PC) might win out. They're 64-bit (we have AMD processors in ours),
they
support 8 Gbytes of RAM, run the latest Fedora and openSUSE, and you can use
virtualisation.
It's not a mainframe by any means, but finding someone who knows the software is
pretty simple (no VM gurus needed), and it's a setup the kids can replicate at
home
if they wish (and can afford a newish pc).
If you particularly want to run Linux/390, that's possible too. Just install
Hercules
- it's probably in the software repo.
1 I mention this just because I have personal knowledge of them. Probably, other
vendors have something equivalent. One of the things I like about these is the
diagnostics DVD. It boots Linux, so I figured the chances of running recent
Linux is
probably feasible. It is, unlike the DC7700 when new.
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