That SUN Solaris could become IBM Solaris if the deal goes through. Mark T. Regan, K8MTR CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991)
----- Original Message ---- From: Joe O'Brien <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:02:02 AM Subject: Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful? Amazingly,a consistent story. The same has happened here as we are going from an IBM environment to a SUN Solaris and/or Windows environment to run our ERP system(s). Dodds, Jim wrote: > Good luck with that. My management here too is going to throw out the > mainframe. We (IT) were establishing working relationships with Marist, IBM, > and the ERP vendor to get our new university ERP system to run under z/Linux > but upper management caught wind of it and made us stop. Marist I assume is > going on with the project to move their university ERP system (which will be > the same as ours) to z/Linux. So now we are planning on spending close to > $200,000 on Dell hardware and Microsoft server software. This doesn't include > the licenses for the Oracle software. > > Jim Dodds > Systems Programmer > Kentucky State University > 400 East Main Street > Frankfort, Ky 40601 > 502 597 6114 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Erik N > Johnson > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful? > > It is very true, however, that you can run several LPARs with > Linux/390 on them. Also, MVS is available for free nowadays, as well > as several other major components that run on the pre-Z > 360-derivatives. So although you won't be able to teach your kids VM > you CAN show them what IBM big iron can do. Have you approached > anybody with the IBM academic initiatives program? Both Marist and > Colorado have Z systems which they will provide accounts on for > students. My university (Northern Illinois University) is getting > this from Marist, as our administration have their heads on backwards. > Some Microsoft evangelist has convinced a bunch of our administrators > that our ESA/390s are dinosaurs that need to be surplussed and > replaced by a cluster of x86 boxen running peoplesoft on windows > server. It's complete garbage and it means they're going to tell IBM > (who was going to give us a brand new z10 bc next year) to get > stuffed. > > Does anybody know where I could point out to my administration what a > HUGE mistake they are making? Our curriculum has been based around > the IBM mainframe for half a century! I can only imagine having been > forced to learn x86 assembler... *shudder*. When did people forget > that IBM > Intel?!?! > > Erik Johnson > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Summerfield > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Andrew Wiley wrote: >> >>>> Andrew, >>>> >>>> Unless you already have a release of VM on this hardware, you can't get >>>> a VM that will run on this hardware anymore. So you are pretty much out >>>> of luck. >>>> >>>> >>>> IBM does have an academic initiative which provides incentives for >>>> higher education on System z: >>>> >>> Well, this is a high school computer science course, so we don't have >>> much budget and, quite frankly, we aren't a priority in... anything. >>> >>> However, the machine I'm investigating is being offered by a local >>> business that's decommissioning it, and I can ask if they plan to >>> include VM. >>> Assuming they do, could the machine be useful? It wouldn't be used >>> under high load; it would be hosting student projects. >>> >> It's 31-bit, so recent SLES and RHEL don't run on it because those are >> 64-bit. Debian probably does, and Slack might. >> >> This might be a time when, depending on just what you want, a nice HP >> DC5850[1] (desktop PC) might win out. They're 64-bit (we have AMD >> processors in ours), they support 8 Gbytes of RAM, run the latest Fedora >> and openSUSE, and you can use virtualisation. >> >> It's not a mainframe by any means, but finding someone who knows the >> software is pretty simple (no VM gurus needed), and it's a setup the >> kids can replicate at home if they wish (and can afford a newish pc). >> >> If you particularly want to run Linux/390, that's possible too. Just >> install Hercules - it's probably in the software repo. >> >> 1 I mention this just because I have personal knowledge of them. >> Probably, other vendors have something equivalent. One of the things I >> like about these is the diagnostics DVD. It boots Linux, so I figured >> the chances of running recent Linux is probably feasible. It is, unlike >> the DC7700 when new. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Cheers >> John >> >> -- spambait >> [email protected] [email protected] >> -- Advice >> http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 >> >> You cannot reply off-list:-) >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or >> visit >> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
