Must be Rick Troth . I thought of Jeff Savitt or Arty Ecock as well. Are all email posts from the same person?
By the way, in June 1998 the VM workshop took place at Marist. I think I have a T shirt that says so. So discussions of linux under VM did take place at Marist in 1998. -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of A. Harry Williams Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Fall 2009 NEUVM.org meeting tomorrow 09.25.2009 Reminder On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:45:33 -0400 David Boyes said: >Yeah, it had outgrown the use of NAMES files by then. 8-) Alan has it >exactly right, though -- a lot of things "unhappened" in that few >weeks. I remember a few meetings where most of the attendees were >officially somewhere else. >-- db >On 9/28/09 10:35 AM, "Romanowski, John (OFT)" ><[email protected]> >wrote: >> This historical discussion prompted me to look online at >> http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-VM, where I see the >> earliest monthly logs of this list, LINUX-390, start in Dec 1998 as >> a list named LINUX-VM which Marist apparently hosted specifically for >> the Bigfoot participants' use. I missed this note last week. I don't claim anything for Marist other than being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right people involved. When I talk history, I reference bigfoot, but I also reference others that I believe helped spawn the current system. The oldest mention I have found for the concept of running Linux on VM on what is now the System z Architecure happened on August 25, 1994. It was wishful thinking then, but pushed the idea as something we should do. In fact, here's part of the text ... above all, keep a good attitude about it. Don't forget those things which you loved about VM way back when it was the renegade instead of a "legacy" or a "dinosaur". Those traits still make for the best operating systems, an UNIX afficionados see some of them in UNIX (but, unfortunately for them, they are blind or ignorant to the balance which lies in VM/CMS). You've got to woo them, not alienate them. If only someone could port Linux to s/390 we could show them UNIX on top of VM. (AIX and/or UTS work fine, but they're ex$pen$ive) It was an email with no subject. Any ideas who wrote those prophetic words? On Feb 28, 1998 an email calling for Linux-VM developers appeared with a subject of "Another way to save VM." I'm proposing putting a real unix environment on VM (not to knock OpenVM - its a near miraculous achievement, but without fork and its reliance on EBCDIC and 3270 terminals in an ASCII and world, its still a kludge - yes, many *ix apps can [with considerable effort] be ported to it; how many *ix apps have been developed on it -- and gone out in the world <ok it a new thing>)). And VM would bring to the unix world the ability to manage terabyte DASD farms, multiple instantiation of of the os [you can test entire network configurations in one box! ; you can test a new kernel in one VM while your production environment slaves away in *safe* ignorant bliss; a safe learning environment(each sysadmin wannabe in your CS390 class gets a linux he can trash 'til his heart's content, and still has no excuse not to get his history paper in), and assuming the appropriate drivers are written all the needed access (by internal communication, not execution) to the old (still running) VM and old and new OS/390 apps. And this final one pains me, but the first public email I can find that has the words Linux on VM in the subject was on December 12, 1998 and reads Since my mob, just provides programming support for pre-existing situations, I can only offer advice here. Such as examine what current versions of the Linux Kernel are available on-line, or from CD-ROM for the PC, the source code for the Kernels are typically available there as well. The next step will be a C compiler, one of you has gotten the gcc370 compiler from GNU to work, fine, some of it is written in assembler, I think there is a cross assemblers out there, try one of those. 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