Hello! I confess the e-mail records from that time may be lost, but, ah... I spell my first name as it's indicated on the signature there, Harry.
Besides I didn't join the list until it was officially announced, that is when the first announcements of the Marist distribution were announced. But I do recall some of the original discussions took place on the original VM list from UARK complete with some decidedly interesting discussions. -- Gregg C Levine [email protected] "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of A. > Harry Williams > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Fall 2009 NEUVM.org meeting tomorrow 09.25.2009 Reminder > > On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:50:48 -0400 Smith, Ann (ISD, IT) said: > >Must be Rick Troth . > >I thought of Jeff Savitt or Arty Ecock as well. > >Are all email posts from the same person? > > It's actually 3 different people. The first is Rick, the second Terrence > Zellers and the third Greg Levine. > > > > >By the way, in June 1998 the VM workshop took place at Marist. > > That sounds about right. The last one under that name. The library was an > almost hole in the ground. We now have a hole in the ground just north > of it for a new technology building. > > > >I think I have a T shirt that says so. > >So discussions of linux under VM did take place at Marist in 1998. > > > /ahw > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of A. > >Harry Williams > >Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:28 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Fall 2009 NEUVM.org meeting tomorrow 09.25.2009 Reminder > >On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:45:33 -0400 David Boyes said: > >>Yeah, it had outgrown the use of NAMES files by then. 8-) Alan has it > >>exactly right, though -- a lot of things "unhappened" in that few > >>weeks. I remember a few meetings where most of the attendees were > >>officially somewhere else. > >>-- db > >>On 9/28/09 10:35 AM, "Romanowski, John (OFT)" > >><[email protected]> > >>wrote: > >>> This historical discussion prompted me to look online at > >>> http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-VM, where I see the > >>> earliest monthly logs of this list, LINUX-390, start in Dec 1998 as > >>> a list named LINUX-VM which Marist apparently hosted specifically for > >>> the Bigfoot participants' use. > >I missed this note last week. I don't claim anything for Marist other > >than being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right > >people involved. When I talk history, I reference bigfoot, but I also > >reference others that I believe helped spawn the current system. The > >oldest mention I have found for the concept of running Linux on VM on > >what is now the System z Architecure happened on August 25, 1994. It > >was wishful thinking then, but pushed the idea as something we should > >do. In fact, here's part of the text > > ... above all, keep a good attitude about it. Don't forget those > >things > > which you loved about VM way back when it was the renegade instead of > >a > > "legacy" or a "dinosaur". Those traits still make for the best > >operating > > systems, an UNIX afficionados see some of them in UNIX (but, > >unfortunately > > for them, they are blind or ignorant to the balance which lies in > >VM/CMS). > > You've got to woo them, not alienate them. If only someone could port > >Linux > > to s/390 we could show them UNIX on top of VM. (AIX and/or UTS work > >fine, > > but they're ex$pen$ive) > >It was an email with no subject. Any ideas who wrote those prophetic > >words? > >On Feb 28, 1998 an email calling for Linux-VM developers appeared with a > >subject of "Another way to save VM." > > I'm proposing putting a real unix environment on VM (not to knock > >OpenVM - > > its a near miraculous achievement, but without fork and its reliance > >on > > EBCDIC and 3270 terminals in an ASCII and world, its still a kludge - > >yes, > > many *ix apps can [with considerable effort] be ported to it; how > >many *ix > > apps have been developed on it -- and gone out in the world <ok it a > >new > > thing>)). And VM would bring to the unix world the ability to manage > > terabyte DASD farms, multiple instantiation of of the os [you can > >test > > entire network configurations in one box! ; you can test a new kernel > >in one > > VM while your production environment slaves away in *safe* ignorant > >bliss; a > > safe learning environment(each sysadmin wannabe in your CS390 class > >gets a > > linux he can trash 'til his heart's content, and still has no excuse > >not to > > get his history paper in), and assuming the appropriate drivers are > >written > > all the needed access (by internal communication, not execution) to > >the old > > (still running) VM and old and new OS/390 apps. > >And this final one pains me, but the first public email I can find that > >has the words Linux on VM in the subject was on December 12, 1998 and > >reads > > Since my mob, just provides programming support for pre-existing > > situations, I can only offer advice here. Such as examine what > >current > > versions of the Linux Kernel are available on-line, or from CD-ROM > >for the > > PC, the source code for the Kernels are typically available there as > >well. > > The next step will be a C compiler, one of you has gotten the gcc370 > > compiler from GNU to work, fine, some of it is written in assembler, > >I > > think there is a cross assemblers out there, try one of those. 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