AFAIK a FORCE will kill the guest immediately instead of let it shutdown 
nicely. So when the linux guest is rebooted you will get a filesystemcheck for 
sure. And perhaps even file system errors that need to be fixed (manually).

I would suggest:

pipe cp q signals | locate /Enabled/ | specs /SIGNAL SHUTDOWN/ 1 w1 nw /WITHIN 
300/ nw | cons

Still no guarantee for a proper shutdown of guests though. When they haven't 
finished shutdown themselves they will get forced after the timer expires.

We have a 'SHUTSYS' script that has the option to shutdown everything except VM 
itself. Perhaps an idea to add this to the shutdown script, option (NOIPL or 
something like that to prevent a VM IPL. Afterwards you can use the AUTOLOG1/2 
machine to restart all services.

Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Berry van Sleeuwen


-----Original Message-----
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott 
Rohling
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Are weekly z/VM IPLs necessary?

This could help next time?

pipe cp q signals | locate /Enabled/ | specs /FORCE/ 1 w1 nw | cons

You can issue this safely to see what I'm talking about

Change the 'cons' to 'CP' ....   and each guest who has signal enabled
(usually Linux and SFS) will get forced  (signalled).   Wait for them to
come down and then autolog AUTOLOG1/2 or whatever to restart things.

'CP SHUTDOWN' essentially does the above and then brings z/VM down..  so this 
way you can bring down the guests and not z/VM itself..

Scott Rohling

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Duerbusch, Tom <[email protected]>
wrote:

> The last time we have IPL'ed either of our VM systems was due to a air
> conditioner failure (thermal shutdown of the z/890 box) 590 days ago.
>
> The only problem we had was with the zLinux side starting up.
> We got the messages:
> /dev/system/home has gone 1537 days without being checked, check forced.
> /dev/dasda1 has gone 931 days without being checked, check forced.
> /dev/dasda1 has gone 1075 days without being checked, check forced.
>
> Since check disk was being run, and the time they run varies by disk
> size (or disk used, or number of files or....) the guests came up out of 
> order.
>
> To fix it, we did the dumbest (ok easiest...requires no thinking)
> thing to do....
>
> Wait for all 27 images to come up and go idle.
> Issue the shutdown script.
> IPL z/VM again and let AUTOLOG bring up all guests in the proper order.
>
> So, for some of us, the only time we need to IPL VM, is for a box
> swap, LPAR reconfiguration (add memory), maintenance to CP or
> installation of a new CP.
>
> It will be interesting to here what others had issues with.
>
> Tom Duerbusch
> THD Consulting
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Will, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > We have gotten in the habit of IPLing our z/VM and zLinux guests
> > every Sunday during our standalone window.  With the window
> > shrinking and the need for 24/7 availability is it really necessary
> > to IPL every week?  If not what potential problems could we run into
> > by not doing the IPL
> (memory
> > leaks, logs filling etc.).  This is in comparison to the Intel side
> > of
> the
> > shop (Red Hat, Windows) where they go months between IPLs.  The only
> > benefit I see is the opportunity to recycle WMB execution groups.
> >
> > Chris Will
> >
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