Linux-Advocacy Digest #561, Volume #25 Wed, 8 Mar 00 16:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (Michael C. Vergallen)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (Michael C. Vergallen)
Re: Disproving the lies. (Bob Hauck)
Re: I can't stand this X anymore! ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Winvocates 10...Linvocates 0 (Bob Hauck)
Re: Salary? (Vilmos Soti)
Re: Disproving the lies. (Philip Niznik)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Drestin Black")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Drestin Black")
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux vs. NT as a webserver ("Robert Moir")
Re: A little advocacy.. (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Re: A little advocacy.. ("Drestin Black")
Re: Open Software Reliability (Darren Winsper)
Re: Salary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Salary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Salary? (Matthias Warkus)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael C. Vergallen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: 8 Mar 2000 19:05:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Drestin Black wrote:
>
>"Michael C. Vergallen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>
>> >Also, Win2K meets all the base criteria for even being CONSIDERED
>> >to be tested, whereas Linux does not.
>>
>> Wrong Linux got C2 certified ones and I bet you if the cost was not that
>> prohibive Linux would get C2 for every version and flavour.
>> Michael
>
>Excuse me? Linux got C2 certified once? Bullshit! Prove it.
It did a long time ago based on a early 1.2 kernel...sorry I don't have the
link to it anymore but it did get a C2..my memory is failing me what the
organization was that payed to get a C2 certification for Linux.
>And I will take your bet on every version and flavour of C2 certification -
>name the amount.
If I still had the link to the site that certified linux I would have bet
you 2000 USD. But I can't find the original link anymore...However I would
stake 2000 USD that Linux was certified. You prove the contrary.
Michael
---
Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike,
Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/
B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/
Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael C. Vergallen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: 8 Mar 2000 19:17:24 GMT
In article <8a66tr$iqf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Chiglinsky wrote:
>Umm...did you read what you reponded to? He didn't say Win2k WAS
>certified. He said it is likely to be.
Yes I know but this is a speculation on his part. Not a fact as I don't
like speculations I only wan't to accept it when it is actually certified.
>Also, NT4 was recently
>certified so your statement about NT3.51 being the only one is somewhat
>incorrect.
However Microsoft touted that NT4 was C2 certified when it wasn't. Only
recently they have the certification.
Michael
--
Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike,
Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/
B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/
Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disproving the lies.
Date: 8 Mar 2000 19:21:01 GMT
Reply-To: bobh{at}slc{dot}codem{dot}com
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:15:03 -0800, nohow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>A few years back when someone touted that NASDAQ was run on NT,
>actually it was just the web server, someone posted a report showing
>that the Index itself was run on unix based platforms. Has this
>changed?
According an article I read at the time, NASDAQ runs a trade tracking
system on NT. This system apparently does statistical analysis on trades
in real-time in order to detect possible fraud and market manipulation.
However, it does not actually process the trades. IIRC that is handled by
Unisys mainframes.
This link gives more details of the analysis system:
<http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/exec/casestudy/casestudy/nasdaq.asp>
Then there's this from <http://www.nasdaq.com/help/helpfaq.stm>. It would
seem that even their web site is not fully "powered by NT".
==============================8<===============================
What types of technology are you using on your Web site?
Several types. The Dell web servers are powered by Intel Pentium Pro
and Pentium II processors running a Microsoft NT/IIS solution. The trading
data for our site resides on servers running Sun Microsystems UNIX
servers. We employ Cisco Systems' latest series routers and load balancing
products, and MCI WorldCom provides our Internet connectivity. Our
Portfolio Tracking feature, Major Indices Charts and Custom Logo Ticker
use Java as their underlying code. We attempt to minimize the need for
plug-ins to use our site but do recommend you have access to Adobe's
Acrobat Reader and either/or Microsoft's Media Player or RealNetworks'
RealPlayer (G2).
==============================8<===============================
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: I can't stand this X anymore!
Date: 8 Mar 2000 19:23:20 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Note there are a bunch of things going on here simultaneously, at least:
: 1) Current XFree86 (and many/most commercial X servers) are buggy
: and provide rasterized outline fonts when they should be providing
: tuned bitmap fonts. This can be worked around in your font path.
: Hopefully fixed in XFree86 4.0 (though I haven't checked).
How do you fix that? By moving the unscaled fonts to the top of the
FontPath, as specified in the Font Deuglification Howto ("FDU")?
: 2) Many XFree86 servers get installed with the wrong font path
: for the resolution of your screen (e.g. putting 75dpi tuned bitmap
: fonts in preference to 100dpi fonts on a high resolution monitor,
: and many people don't have the X server report the correct
: resolution of the monitor.
I believe these are addressed in the FDU. (First item: put 100dpi
fonts before 75dpi in FontPath; second item: startx -dpi 100.)
: 3) The rasterizers for Type1 need help.
No argument there.
What would be the best way to help fix this?
: 4) The state of TrueType and FreeType implementation is unclear
: vis. a vis. patents.
I'm starting to understand that, but if the "standard" Type 1 fonts
were adequately rendered to the screen, there'd be little or no need
for TrueType (at least based on what D. Rebecchi has indicated, and
he seems to be one of the more knowledgeable folks here on that
subject).
: 5) some people want/need anti-aliased fonts: serious work on X's
: imaging model is in order, though the gnome canvas is doing
: this on the client side (which means network performance suffers).
Is any such work on the X side planned or under way?
Does anyone know how (or if) KDE2 will address this problem?
: 6) screen fonts and printer fonts need coordination, not necessarily
: by extending X. A standard approach is needed, no doubt.
Yep. I would think that the desktop folks (KDE and/or Gnome) would be
able to come up with a solution for apps designed for either
environment, but ideally there should be a solution that all
Linux/Unix apps could use, not just folks who have KDE and/or Gnome.
: 7) the X font model has problems, particularly for large unicode
: fonts, as you get more font metrics information than you would
: like (like for the whole font, which requires rasterizing the whole
: font, which is huge). This needs an X extension to deal with, probably
: coordinated with anti-aliased fonts.
Yep.
Since disk space is cheap, would it be possible to cache rasterized
versions of fonts, so at least that performance hit would only happen
once in a while rather than continuously?
: 8) some toolkits seem to be doing things wrong with font metrics,
: causing bad behavior. This can only get fixed if people start
: digging into the toolkits and fixing them.
Do the developers *know* they are doing the wrong thing(s)?
: 9) some people think that static layout (pixel based, or
: size based) design is a good idea, rather than
: allowing the user to control the layout of dialog boxes, etc, by
: resizing windows. These folks are completely deluded.
After spending far too much time in the 'Doze world, where pixel-based
layouts are the norm, I'm rapidly learning why flexible layout
managers are so sorely needed.
: Later THIS
: year, you'll be able to buy Linux based hand helds with small
: screens (e.g. 320x200): you aren't going to be impressed by turkies
: who have made their applications useless (unnecessarily: many/most
: applications will have to be at least partially rethought for PDA's.)
: This is already a major issue on laptops.
Ouch. :(
: 10) Type1 vs. TrueType fonts, in general (as a religious discussion).
Patent issues may make this problem moot. In which case I have little
doubt that an equally good or better alternative can be found
(assuming Type 1 isn't adequate, although it probably is).
: 11) X is ugly, and should be thrown away. :-).
In 30 years, yes. In the foreseeable future, no.
: I'm sure there are more issues in this thread, but I thought I'd organize
: (some of) them.
I appreciate that.
: I suggest people try to concentrate on these issues separately,
: as confounding them has resulted in a conversation that does not seem
: to be making progress.
: - Jim
If there are issues of genuine disagreement, then yes, I'd concur that
we need to try to separate them.
I think we all agree on many of these though; it's just a matter of
what if anything can be done about them.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates 10...Linvocates 0
Date: 8 Mar 2000 19:35:02 GMT
Reply-To: bobh{at}slc{dot}codem{dot}com
On 8 Mar 2000 14:51:04 GMT, Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BTW, what is the difference between Power Users and ordinary Users?
By default, Power users can share directories and install printers.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:06:38 GMT
"Mr. Rupert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Seriously: The standard of living here in Germany is rather higher
> > than in the United States.
>
> In what respect is the standard of living higher in Germany than in the
> USA?
Crime. Can you safely walk in *ANY* US city after dark?
Health care. How many, people, millions, tens of millions, don't have
insurance in the US? Yes, the US has a very good (and dishonest)
health care system, but only if you can afford it.
Education. If you want to learn, then there are wonderful opportunities
in the US due to the fact that you can have access to the latest/greatest
educational tools. But the average US person (I deliberately don't write
American since it includes Canadians, Mexicans, and a lot of other nations)
is incredibly dumb. Sorry, but it is my experience after living in
Gainesville, Florida, a university city for seven years. And the problem
is that most of my experience comes from people at the University. Then
what about those who didn't attend University? I consider this is the
problem with the educational system. Whenever I see something like
a guide how to do well on, say, a multiple choice exam, I always wonder
why encourage people to find the easy way instead of the right way?
And these things were taught at school in a course...
> The reduced number of workhours is strangling your country.
I work so I can have a good living. I don't live so I can have a good
work/job/empolyment.
> Also take into account that the USA is the world leader in advanced medical
> treatment and research. The Houston Medical Center is the largest medical
> center in the world, not to mention the rest of the USA's medical centers.
And China is the world's most populous nation. Biggest doesn't always mean
better. Just consider the size of Windows and Linux...
> When the rich and powerful of this world get sick and are on
> their last prayer, they head to the Houston Medical Center.
The keyword here is the rich and powerful. Otherwise be happy to have
a hole on your ass.
Vilmos
PS. I *DO NOT* hate the US. But after living there for years, I do
see many and very serious problems. I hope she can get her acts together
because the world needs a strong and honest US.
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From: Philip Niznik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disproving the lies.
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:07:18 +0000
Gartner Group poll of system reliability found that Win NT was the least
reliable.
(See IBM Server pages for reference).
4 every survey for we'll find one against!
Drestin Black wrote:
> It's a very long read but it is very well documented and detailed.
>
> This report from Aberdeen Group is something I waited for for some time. I
> knew they were creating it but had no idea it had come out already. They are
> reporting now factually what I've been saying for some time and what I
> continue to say. NT is reliable and definately enterprise ready. W2K even
> much more so.
>
> NT Advocates will find themselves nodding their heads and probably smiling a
> lot at things they will think "I have been saying that!" and will also find
> some very nice supporting documentation to our claims. A *FAIR*
> anti-MS/anti-NT type IF they are capable of setting aside prejudgment and
> bias will probably find suprises in the report. I hope, but doubt, that many
> linvocates will at last find that we've been making claims consistant with
> reality as regards enterprise readiness and uptime reliability for NT.
>
> If you intend to continue as an advocate you will do all of us a favor by
> reading this link.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/reviews/dotcoms.asp
>
> if you are afraid of the truth there is always slashdot. org
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:35:38 -0500
"Michael C. Vergallen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8a66tr$iqf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Chiglinsky wrote:
> >Also, NT4 was recently
> >certified so your statement about NT3.51 being the only one is somewhat
> >incorrect.
> However Microsoft touted that NT4 was C2 certified when it wasn't. Only
> recently they have the certification.
Please show us when MS ever claimed NT was C2 when it wasn't? They announced
the successful evaluation at C2 level the day it was done. Prove me wrong.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:40:08 -0500
"Michael C. Vergallen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> >"Michael C. Vergallen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>
> >> >Also, Win2K meets all the base criteria for even being CONSIDERED
> >> >to be tested, whereas Linux does not.
> >>
> >> Wrong Linux got C2 certified ones and I bet you if the cost was not
that
> >> prohibive Linux would get C2 for every version and flavour.
> >> Michael
> >
> >Excuse me? Linux got C2 certified once? Bullshit! Prove it.
> It did a long time ago based on a early 1.2 kernel...sorry I don't have
the
> link to it anymore but it did get a C2..my memory is failing me what the
> organization was that payed to get a C2 certification for Linux.
I'm sorry but I do not believe that to be true. You'll have to provide more
info on this stunning revelation that I would have expected every Linvocate
to trumpet loudly to counter when NT became the first desktop OS to get C2
evaluation.
>
> >And I will take your bet on every version and flavour of C2
certification -
> >name the amount.
> If I still had the link to the site that certified linux I would have bet
> you 2000 USD. But I can't find the original link anymore...However I would
> stake 2000 USD that Linux was certified. You prove the contrary.
Um...no, I can't. *YOU* claimed/claim that Linux is C2 certified. ALL the
burden of proof is on you, none on me.
Hmmm... How COULD I do this? I can point to a page, any page, on the
internet and say: "Look, on this page it does NOT say that Linux is C2
evaluated, therefore it is not."
You made the claim, you prove it.
Tell you what. I've just now searched all of slashdot.org and I cannot find
Linux C2 certified there, so, I've proven the contrary (according to your
logic). I'll take the 2000 USD by certified check or you can wire it to my
account in the Cayman Islands. E-mail me for details.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:44:30 -0600
"Michael C. Vergallen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >Excuse me? Linux got C2 certified once? Bullshit! Prove it.
> It did a long time ago based on a early 1.2 kernel...sorry I don't have the
> link to it anymore but it did get a C2..my memory is failing me what the
> organization was that payed to get a C2 certification for Linux.
http://www.radium.ncsc.mil/tpep/epl/index.html
This is the listing of every product evaluated to date.
No version of Linux is listed under the C2 section (view EPL by class).
I also checked in the historical section, and there is also no mention
of Linux*.*. Perhaps it's under a different name?
Interestingly enough, there's a version of "Trusted XENIX" on the list.
Here is the link to NT 4.0's evaluation
http://www.radium.ncsc.mil/tpep/epl/entries/TTAP-CSC-EPL-99-001.html
-Chad
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From: "Robert Moir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs. NT as a webserver
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:53:41 -0000
Fabio M Albertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8a1g59$knj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> Maybe some of you have some answers for me...
> I'm trying to convince my superior at work that installing a Linux
webserver
> instead of an NT server will be a very good decision that the company
won't
> regret for at least a decade.
> So, basically, why is Linux better than NT, and can you back it up with
any
> online resources? I'd be extremely grateful for responses.
> The main points are : stability, overall cost of computer & OS, cost of
> hiring staff with knowledge of Linux in the future, apache's ability to
run
> ASP... I think you get the idea...
>
No they probably would not regret using Linux and Apache, but then neither
would they regret using NT and IIS. It's all a case of what you are able to
support. If you have a room full of NT boxen and experienced NT sysadmins,
why would you want to make things more difficult by introducing a linux box?
Conversely, if you had a room full of Linux boxes, introuducing a NT box
would also be just as questionable.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Date: 8 Mar 2000 20:51:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:20:54 -0600,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 04:31:38 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >I can guarantee that I can configure your Linux system to run only for a
> few
> > >minutes and lock up.
> > How ? Give some concrete details.
> Having done this several times, it's quite easy. Fiddle a few settings in
> your X config, causing the video card to fault the bus.
Oh, you need root access? Hey, I can top *that* with ease.
(sleep 10m ; cat /dev/null > /dev/kmem;) &
in /etc/rc.d/boot.local or something is far easier. Yes, you
can get Linux to crash _reliably_. Can you do that with W2K, as
administrator?
> Then i'm just very adept and finding such ways.
Nah. Wanton misconfiguration as root is shooting fish in a barrel
in any real OS. I dunno why you'd want to, but there may be
reasons one day. Like the (M$- ?) police busting through your
door :-/
-Wolfgang
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:51:11 -0500
"Nathan S. Grey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
>
> >
> > Gee, I was running the MSDE the other day on a Win98 box. It's SQL
Server 7,
> > just scaled back in some respects but it's the same base engine, exact
same
> > syntax and functions, just limits on size. And if you don't consider SQL
> > Server 7 a serious database... well... I'm sure even you won't make that
> > mistake.
>
> And only Drestin could smoke enough crack to contemplate running a serious
> database on Win98.
>
Didn't say I would but I simply mentioned that in fact MSDE=SQL Server 7
"jr." and does run on W9x.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Subject: Re: Open Software Reliability
Date: 9 Mar 2000 04:56:11 GMT
On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:06:57 -0600, Bobby D. Bryant
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's hard to see how letting a date affect
> the process could *ever* result in better product quality, but it's quite easy to
> see how it could result in reduced quality.
Setting dates (Even if they are prone to slip) can be quite useful. If
you don't set even a rough timeline you could end up just piling in
features and never actually releasing something stable enough to be
called 1.0. At least with a rough timeline you can say something like
"We really don't have the time to impliment that feature/rewrite for
version 1.0."
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano) - ICQ #8899775
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
DVD boycotts. Are you doing your part?
"Microsoft is estimating that 28,000 of these [bugs] are likely to be 'real'
problems [in Windows2000]."
-http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2436920,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:11:14 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 8 Mar 2000 15:49:28 GMT...
...and Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:56:30 +0100, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Same goes for banks and TV networks in Germany. I, for one, am glad
> >that my bank account is handled by an independent, non-profit
> >organisation working for the good of the public instead of some
> >turbo-capitalist global-player corporation that's busily planning the
> >next merger.
>
> We call those "Credit Unions" here in the US. And I much prefer doing
> business with one of those or a small local bank (there are a few left)
> rather than one of the mega banks.
Most small German bank customers share your opinion, and that's why
the market share of large private banks in Germany is about 20%
altogether.
mawa
--
adaptagony, n.:
the state into which any kind of modem or ISDN adaptor inevitably
falls many times a day and to which power-cycling the beast is the
only remedy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:13:41 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 8 Mar 2000 15:38:40 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >England is expensive in certain respects. So is France, BTW. But in
> >Germany, for example, computers are generally cheaper than they in the
> >U.S., indeed, we're one of the cheapest countries when it comes to
> >buying computers. I suppose England and France have similar advantages
> >in certain areas. Whether a country is expensive or cheap for Joe
> >Schmoe does not depend entirely on the country, it depends on Joe's
> >needs and tastes just as well.
> What is actually the reason for computers being cheaper in Germany?
> As far as I would hazard to guess, there aren't too many being
> manufactured here.
Extremely hard competition between the large retail chains, their
outlets being very close together. Did you witness the Escom vs. Vobis
war?
mawa
--
Yep, I've got a home page. Again. Have a look at:
<URL: http://dev.nullmodem.de/mawa/>
Now stop asking!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:12:36 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:46:29 -0500...
...and Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> <snipped as I will go compeltely OT>
>
> >
> > mawa
> > --
> > /The American Way of Life:/ Schon was sie essen und trinken, diese
> > Bleichlinge, die nicht wissen, was Wein ist, diese Vitamin-Fresser,
> > die kalten Tee trinken und Watte kauen und nicht wissen, was Brot ist,
> > dieses Coca-Cola-Volk [...] -- Faber, in: Max Frisch, _Homo_Faber_
>
> markus,
> I like your sigs. :)
> You seem to have a script that cats a different sig in every message you
> compose - how did you do that? (If you don't want to go OT here, just
> email me directly if you don't mind).
[mawa@audrey]: ~$ cat bin/do-sig
#!/bin/sh
fortune -s 90% /home/mawa/signatures 10% all >/home/mawa/.signature
[mawa@audrey]: ~$ crontab -l
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (/tmp/crontab.8386 installed on Sat Dec 4 21:34:21 1999)
# (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp
# $)
*/3 * * * * /home/mawa/bin/do-sig
* */2 * * * /home/mawa/bin/themeswitcher
That's the secret: A signature file organised as a fortune cookie
file, a one-liner shell script and a crontab entry to call it every
three minutes.
mawa
--
adaptagony, n.:
the state into which any kind of modem or ISDN adaptor inevitably
falls many times a day and to which power-cycling the beast is the
only remedy
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