Linux-Advocacy Digest #155, Volume #26 Sun, 16 Apr 00 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"! (Matthias Warkus)
Re: BSD & Linux (Peter da Silva)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (C Lund)
Re: We need a new subject was (Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do
you?)
Re: Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"! (The Cat)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary ("red-5")
Re: VA Linux: Worlds most overpriced PC ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Michael J. Stango)
Re: Detonators 5.14 UP!!!!!!!! (Rob Hughes)
Re: Detonators 5.14 UP!!!!!!!! (Rob Hughes)
Re: We need a new subject was (Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do
you?) ("Keith T. Williams")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:51:59 GMT
In article <8db2u5$p96$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
> In article <8dal7g$ve9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >I cant understand is when two people both doing their work to the
best of
> >their abilities, but one making $4/h and the other one $150/h.
>
> When you want to have something done right, how do you get the
> best person if you aren't going to pay him any more? If you
> need some dental work done, do you really want a $4/hr guy
> to do it when the best of his ability isn't all that good?
That wanst the point I was trying to make. Lets assume
that both men do their job perfectly well, however one is
rewaded 30 times more than the other one for doing his job well.
I believe this is fundamnetally unfailr. I think that everyone who
does their job well should have access to the same standrad of living.
>
> A different interpretation is that he is being paid to think, not
> to work, and you don't turn off thinking at the end of working
> hours. Different companies have different approaches to this
> and no one is forced to work for any of them.
You are not forced to work for any particular employer (unless
he is the only one in town as it often happens), however you
are forced to work for someone (as being self-employed isnt
really an option for most). So basically you are free to choose your
master. How great.
>
> >There''re communities where when you need a new house you dont go to
the bank
> >and ask for a loan that you and ten generations after you will be
paying on,
> >but instead ask your neighbours to come and help you build one. And
there
> >many examples like this. Communism already exists even if on a small
scale.
>
> And oddly, some of these communities have the highest suicide rates
> anywhere.
On the countrary people living in such commnities dont lock
their doors and are not afraid to work alone at night.
>
> >Not everyone can be a software developer, but as I said before
working is an
> >enjoyble and natural part of life when it comes naturally so everyone
will be
> >able to find something enjoyble to do. Quite unlike capitalism when
people
> >who do *want* to work cant find any.
>
> Where is that?
Its called unmeployment. Which is quite natural for capitalism,
since liberal theorists consider that having millions of
families living in the shelters after loosing their homes to
bankers is good for the economy since it provided bosses with a pool
of desperate people willing to do almost anything to make a living.
Vlad.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:20:43 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 15 Apr 2000 13:51:27 -0400...
...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Free market]
> It's working quite well in most Western democracies.
Thanks to heavy regulation by governments, international
organisations, NGOs and such. The libertarians fail to grasp that a
perfect free market would indeed rapidly deteriorate into something
that's rather similar to what the Leninists call Stamokap.
> Care to name
> a system that works better ?
>
> Don't name communism -- we've already agreed that communism is a load
> of utopian hokey-pokey that doesn't exist in the real world.
Perfect communism is. But then, such is perfect capitalism. A 100%
pure communist or capitalist economy is simply impossible.
mawa
--
Sitting at the console all day, watching the news scroll away
-- James Deibele
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:24:45 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:03:55 GMT...
...and The Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[schnibble]
Hey, looks like yet again, Linux made someone really happy. :)
> I'm using an IBM Proprinter x24e and had to select Epson 9 pin to make
> it work. I'm looking to buy an inexpensive PS laser printer soon
> anyway. I gave the Canon BJ4400 to my wife. Damm thing is an ink
> waster extreme anyway.
A year or two ago I swore that I'll never buy an inkjet printer again
in my life. I'm very happy with my HP.
As for printers, you don't really need a PS laser. One that
understands just PCL should be enough if it's supported by one of the
Ghostscript HP LJ drivers.
> The latest version of Pan (newsreader) doesn't seem to work too well
> for me. It hangs all the time. I'm happy that Agent works so I'll use
> that until Pan works a little better which shouldn't be too long
> considering how fast it has come along.
What's the "latest version" here? Have you already tried Pan 0.80?
mawa
--
Recently on a Liberian bulk freighter:
-- Any cargo to declare, Captain?
-- Um... 280.000 metric tonnes of McSundae.
-- Thanks. Please proceed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
Subject: Re: BSD & Linux
Date: 16 Apr 2000 12:21:07 GMT
In article <8d9sun$17g5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva) writes:
> >Amoeba looked very interesting, but it was a development along different
> >lines than Minix or Linux. And of course it wasn't fully open-source either.
> Surely Minix _was_ open source, in the sense that you got the source code.
It wasn't open source by the Debian definition. You couldn't freely
redistribute modified source, which was a killer. Maybe that wouldn't
have been if Tannenbaum had been amenable to redistributing a "hackers
Minix" but that wasn't what he was there for.
The lack of source for the C compiler wasn't a big deal. C compilers were
easy to get even then.
> I don't know which is weirder --
> the way Minix has been written out of history,
> or the way Tanenbaum effectively strangled Minix,
> by insisting that it should remain 286 compatible.
I don't think it's weird. Tannenbaum didn't want Minix to be a production
OS, he wanted it to be a teaching tool that was available to as many people
as possible. It didn't even require a 286... it ran on the XT!
To him, Minix was just there to support his courses and book. Education was
the goal, not a new OS.
I think this was an unfortunate lack of vision, but it's not unusual.
--
In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-_-' Ar rug t� barr�g ar do mhact�re inniu?
'U` "Hint for long-term survival: be tasty, and farmable." -- Tanuki
"And that's the real message of 'The Matrix'." -- Abigail
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:49:54 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Well, it sounds like more work to me than adjusting an
> >application's memory partition size *once*. And we know
> >Wintrolls consider that to be an undesirably complicated task.
> I haven't seen anyone say that. What I have seen is people
> pointing out that having to perform that task at all flies in
> the face of all of the ease of use claims.
"People" generally being Wintrolls who find that to be an undesirably
complicated task...
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: We need a new subject was (Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get
it, do you?)
Date: 16 Apr 2000 12:49:49 GMT
In alt.destroy.microsoft Keith T. Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It is God's work that they are doing, never the less, no matter whose work
: you are doing, the passage still applies, Luke did not it limit just to just
: the Apostles, he compared their work to the work of the harvesters of the
: fields. (Luke 10:2 "Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great,
: but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that
: he would send forth labourers into his harvest.")
:
It may well not have been limited to the Apostles, but there can be surely
no doubt that he considered the work of Apostles most important kind of
work of all. Which makes it significant the fact that were given the
Holy Spirit as a free gift BEFORE they were asked to do the work. Is there
any need to mention King Solomon's discussion about how work of all men
is futile?
You will notice that the wages they are payed with is not money, but
food and drink. It is only just as much as they need, and they are not
likely to profit that much from it.
This is just like Open Source. The wages people who develop these
programs receive is not money but perhaps recognition, or the
opportunity to see other people use and develop their work, and be able
to use any additions they add without charge.
Though the Bible may not in places condemn a man getting payed for
their work, it does warn in many places against losing sight of more
important things.
Remember St Paul's
"The love of money is the root of all evil"
Remember when Christ entered the temple, and whipped the traders
working in there saying
"It is written, 'My temple will be a house of prayer unto all nations',
but you have turned it into a den of THIEVES."
The passages concerning the Israelites entering the land of Canaan are
Leviticus 25: v8-17 and v35-55. Especially note,
"This fiftieth year will be a jubilee year for you; in it you will
not sow, you will not harvest the grain that has come up on its own
or in it gather grapes from your untrimmed vine."
"If your brother becomes impoverished and cannot support himself
....Do not charge him interest on a loan, but fear your God,...
You will not lend him money on interest or give him food to make
a PROFIT out of it."
It would be fair to say in the Judao-Christian theology, there is
NO right to make profit, but we should all share the wealth in
the world because we are merely God's tenants.
"Land will not be sold absolutely, for the land belongs to me,
and you are only strangers and guests of mine." Levi 25: v 23.
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From: The Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:00:09 GMT
The version of Pan I am using is 0.80 beta 5-1 which I believe was
released on 4/14/00.
It just freeze's on me with tasks running and a not able to connect to
server message in the log. Sometimes it works ok other times not.
TheCat
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:24:45 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
wrote:
>What's the "latest version" here? Have you already tried Pan 0.80?
>
>mawa
"Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
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From: "red-5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: 16 Apr 2000 13:26:22 GMT
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> red-5 writes:
> > Ugh, why am I arguing this point?
>
> Because you react to the word Nazi in the irrational knee-jerk fashion
that
> you think all Americans react to the word communist.
Damn straight you get a knee-jerk reaction to the word "Nazi"- have you
ever visited Auchwitz?
> > The November revolution was not a military coup, it was a revolution,
> > with the backing of the people, which is something the Duma did not
have.
>
> What the Duma (the Russian parliament) lacked was the backing of the
army,
> due to the unfortunate decision to continue the war.
We could actually spend years arguing that point, so I guess I'll agree to
differ.
> > Stalin's rise to power was due to the assassination attempt on Lenin,
> > manoevering Trotsky out of the way, and a lot of bloodshed.
>
> Stalinism would have happened without Stalin. It always does, when the
> radicals sieze power.
A deterministic point of view, don't you think? And one that could also be
countered with "reactionaries always try to kill revolutionary movements".
Either way, I think "always does" is a dangerous phrase, when you look at
history.
(snip)
> > I advise you to go and read some history books.
>
> I've read quite a number of them, including histories of the Russian
> Revolution. Most were not written by Bolsheviks.
Well, read books written by all persuasions, with an open mind, or you are
unlikely to arrive at any semblence of the truth.
Anyway, this has been fascinating, but we could argue about politics for
ever, with neither of us changing our opinions, and I don't think that many
of the x-posted groups would appreciate it much longer. ;)
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Subject: Re: VA Linux: Worlds most overpriced PC
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:56:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hahaha ... an "X terminal" is a machine that doesn't run anything besides
> > the X server ( like XFree86 ). They're not terribly popular nowadays, but
> > I guess you could use one.
>
> In some ways, the modern version is more popular than ever:
>
> http://www.sun.com/products/sunray1/overview.html
>
What do you think xterm and its ilk are?
--
Da Katt
[This space for rent]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael J. Stango)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:07:38 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Troughton) wrote:
> >You still have to actually *touch* your PC to power it up? This is year
> >2000? <g> Hell, in another few weeks I'll be turning lights and things on
> >and off by voice commands to my Mac (right now I have to hit buttons on a
> >remote for that stuff).
>
> Heh, you can do that _today_ with os/2. In fact, you've been able to
> do that for about two years now with os2.
Are you talking about the computer accepting voice commands? Try since 1994
on the Mac. I don't know when the first scriptable X10 software was written
for the Mac so appliances and lights could be controlled by voice, but it
was certainly more than two years ago.
When I say, "in another few weeks," I mean, "when the stuff I've ordered
arrives and I find the time to add it into my home automation system and
write the voice command Applescripts." I don't mean, "I'm anxiously
awaiting completion of the software so I can do it."
~Philly
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
Michael J. Stango --who is known as 'mjstango' at his ISP, 'home.com'
"It's no secret some of our best ideas have come from recognizing
those of others. Explorer is a perfect example. Sure, we weren't the
first company on the web bandwagon. But we copied Netscape Navigator
and used our dominance of the operating system market to strongarm
users into adopting our browser in its place."
-- A post-"tougher truth-in-advertising laws" Microsoft ad
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From: Rob Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Detonators 5.14 UP!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:09:02 -0500
oh.... must 've been another drestin black then. some drestin black went
on endlessly about pirating software and the decss thing and such. i'll
go get you deja references if you want, but I basically consider anyone
insisting on such things pretty anal.
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:53:09 -0400, "Drestin Black"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:Whatthe hell drugs are you on?
:
:I've NEVER said that I will never touch or are completely opposed to any
:such things.
:I am not a nVidia developer so do not have access to that site but if you
:had half a brain and kept up on these things you'd know that in the case of
:these drivers "leaked" is what nVidia calls them so they don't have to
:warranty them against frying your system. these are "leaked" regularly and
:the newsgroups and fan sites monitored for feedback. nvidia is fully aware
:of this and is not at all interested in stoping or slowing it - in fact,
:they NEED the feedback. if nVidia didn't like it, you'd think they'd have
:done anything against the 100s of sites that carry this material nice and on
:their front pages.
:
:This has nothing to do with DeCSS which is just plain stupid as are the
:idiots who blindly try to defend what they barely understand.
:
:get a life...
:
:"Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> Well, drestin, you should be able to access that on NVIDIA's site. Since
:> you've made several statements that you would never use anything pirated
:> or in any other way violating a copyright, and since these are obviously
:> leaked drivers, then unless you have signed an NDA you would be
:> violating an NVIDIA copyright. So, you'll just go to NVIDIA's site as a
:> registered developer with a signed NDA and a username/password, now,
:> right? I mean, this isn't much different from the whole DeCSS copyright
:> issue, pirated software, etc. All things you've proclaimed loud and long
:> that you will never touch, are completely opposed to, and further stated
:> that anyone stooping to such a level is lower than the lowest scum on
:> earth.
:>
:> On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:47:30 -0400, "Drestin Black"
:> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> :can anyone get the PDF file? Mine has a broken link.
:> :
:> :if so, can you post the proper link
:> :
:> :"Suzook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:> :news:otMJ4.4523$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> :> Here they are
:> :>
:> :> http://www.xs4all.nl/~bmsmit/
:> :>
:> :>
:> :
:>
:>
:>
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From: Rob Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Detonators 5.14 UP!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:09:31 -0500
laff
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:54:57 -0400, "Drestin Black"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:p.s., unless you can provide some documentation to:
:"All things you've proclaimed loud and long
:> that you will never touch, are completely opposed to, and further stated
:> that anyone stooping to such a level is lower than the lowest scum on
:> earth."
:
:I will continue to have to consider you a liar and lying outloud in these
:groups.
:I never said such things and you are lying.
:
:"Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> Well, drestin, you should be able to access that on NVIDIA's site. Since
:> you've made several statements that you would never use anything pirated
:> or in any other way violating a copyright, and since these are obviously
:> leaked drivers, then unless you have signed an NDA you would be
:> violating an NVIDIA copyright. So, you'll just go to NVIDIA's site as a
:> registered developer with a signed NDA and a username/password, now,
:> right? I mean, this isn't much different from the whole DeCSS copyright
:> issue, pirated software, etc. All things you've proclaimed loud and long
:> that you will never touch, are completely opposed to, and further stated
:> that anyone stooping to such a level is lower than the lowest scum on
:> earth.
:>
:> On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:47:30 -0400, "Drestin Black"
:> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> :can anyone get the PDF file? Mine has a broken link.
:> :
:> :if so, can you post the proper link
:> :
:> :"Suzook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:> :news:otMJ4.4523$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> :> Here they are
:> :>
:> :> http://www.xs4all.nl/~bmsmit/
:> :>
:> :>
:> :
:>
:>
:>
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From: "Keith T. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: We need a new subject was (Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get
it, do you?)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:24:12 -0400
All that you have said is very true, and you are correct, that there is no
"right" to earn a profit, however, all I was suggesting was that if you
labour, you deserve to receive something in exchange for that, (whether cash
or kudos) and that to take the product of another persons labour with
recompense is wrong. (Exodus 20 "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not
covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor
his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing
that is thy neighbour's." )
And since this is an anti-Microsoft NG, and since the feelings which are
expressed in here are rarely "good" Christian feelings <S>, perhaps we
should stop the biblical discussions. Have a good one.
Keith.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8dcctd$85j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In alt.destroy.microsoft Keith T. Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : It is God's work that they are doing, never the less, no matter whose
work
> : you are doing, the passage still applies, Luke did not it limit just to
just
> : the Apostles, he compared their work to the work of the harvesters of
the
> : fields. (Luke 10:2 "Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is
great,
> : but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest,
that
> : he would send forth labourers into his harvest.")
> :
>
> It may well not have been limited to the Apostles, but there can be surely
> no doubt that he considered the work of Apostles most important kind of
> work of all. Which makes it significant the fact that were given the
> Holy Spirit as a free gift BEFORE they were asked to do the work. Is there
> any need to mention King Solomon's discussion about how work of all men
> is futile?
>
> You will notice that the wages they are payed with is not money, but
> food and drink. It is only just as much as they need, and they are not
> likely to profit that much from it.
>
> This is just like Open Source. The wages people who develop these
> programs receive is not money but perhaps recognition, or the
> opportunity to see other people use and develop their work, and be able
> to use any additions they add without charge.
>
> Though the Bible may not in places condemn a man getting payed for
> their work, it does warn in many places against losing sight of more
> important things.
>
> Remember St Paul's
>
> "The love of money is the root of all evil"
>
> Remember when Christ entered the temple, and whipped the traders
> working in there saying
>
> "It is written, 'My temple will be a house of prayer unto all nations',
> but you have turned it into a den of THIEVES."
>
> The passages concerning the Israelites entering the land of Canaan are
> Leviticus 25: v8-17 and v35-55. Especially note,
>
> "This fiftieth year will be a jubilee year for you; in it you will
> not sow, you will not harvest the grain that has come up on its own
> or in it gather grapes from your untrimmed vine."
>
> "If your brother becomes impoverished and cannot support himself
> ....Do not charge him interest on a loan, but fear your God,...
> You will not lend him money on interest or give him food to make
> a PROFIT out of it."
>
> It would be fair to say in the Judao-Christian theology, there is
> NO right to make profit, but we should all share the wealth in
> the world because we are merely God's tenants.
>
> "Land will not be sold absolutely, for the land belongs to me,
> and you are only strangers and guests of mine." Levi 25: v 23.
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