Linux-Advocacy Digest #178, Volume #26 Tue, 18 Apr 00 05:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security. ("Boris")
Re: Be & Linux & Microsoft... (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security. ("Boris")
Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU! (@ .)
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible (Rob S. Wolfram)
Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible (Rob S. Wolfram)
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:25:27 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Kiser wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
> > http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,183988-412,00.shtml
> >
> > Story about how Microsoft made it possible for Redmond and the U.S.
> > government to
> > spy on everybody who has a MICROSOFT OS!
> >
> > THEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED ANYMORE!!
> >
> > OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> [snip]
>
> Looks like somebody got too excited. Did you wet your keyboard too?
> Anyway, this is old news. The story first broke last July, but nobody
> gave a fuck.
URL?
> --
> -Joe Kiser
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.mindspring.com/~joekiser/
>
> "I walk the Earth another day
> The wicked one that comes this way
> Savior to my own, devil to some.
> Mankind falls, something wicked comes."
>
> -Iced Earth, The Coming Curse
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:25:56 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michelle Makitra wrote:
>
> GET A LIFE........MICROSOFT WILL STILL BE AROUND RULING YOUR ASS AND
> KEEPING YOU IN THE DARK CAVES, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
That's what Darth Vader said.
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,183988-412,00.shtml
> >
> > Story about how Microsoft made it possible for Redmond and the U.S.
> > government to
> > spy on everybody who has a MICROSOFT OS!
> >
> > THEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED ANYMORE!!
> >
> > OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> > OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> > OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> > OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> > OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> >
> > MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> > MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> > MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> > MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> > MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> > MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> >
> > TELL EVERYONE AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN!!!!
> >
> > Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:27:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Kiser wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
> > You think that when people are made aware of this story come Monday,
> > they will treat it as trivial trash and not take any sort of action.
>
> Like the time the AP said Microsoft had 60,000+ bugs in Windows 2000,
> you remember how everyone acted? How everyone freaked out, boycotted
> Microsoft, and switched to BSD? NO? That's because nobody gave a
> damn. Sure, there will be the typical media coverage this next week
> about the backdoor in Windows. But in a month, Winsysadmins will have
> already forgotten it, and everything will return to normal.
>
> > Your not thinking very well are you Joe.
>
> Just making a prediction based on what has happened countless times in
> the past.
Backdoors to financial records are no joking matter.
Of course...fortune 500 companies realize that all REAL work shall
be done on Unix or IBM mainframes.
> --
> -Joe Kiser
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.mindspring.com/~joekiser/
>
> "I walk the Earth another day
> The wicked one that comes this way
> Savior to my own, devil to some.
> Mankind falls, something wicked comes."
>
> -Iced Earth, The Coming Curse
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:28:53 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Kiser wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
> > You think that when people are made aware of this story come Monday,
> > they will treat it as trivial trash and not take any sort of action.
>
> Like the time the AP said Microsoft had 60,000+ bugs in Windows 2000,
> you remember how everyone acted? How everyone freaked out, boycotted
> Microsoft, and switched to BSD? NO? That's because nobody gave a
> damn. Sure, there will be the typical media coverage this next week
> about the backdoor in Windows.
Here comes the good part:
> But in a month, Winsysadmins will have
> already forgotten it, and everything will return to normal.
This doesn't speak well of LoseSysadmins, does it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:26:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> Joe Kiser wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > .
> > > The story broke last July and MS is just now getting to warning their
> > > customers??? Yikes, that's almost as bad as the problem it's self.
> >
> > The story was first published by some online article in Britain (I found
> > out about it on AntiOnline). I guess because it wasn't published here
> > in the states, Microsoft didn't feel it was necessary to say anything
> > about it.
> > --
> > -Joe Kiser
> >
>
> Joe,
>
> You just don't work in the same world the rest of us grownups do.
> I suppose it's no BIG DEAL where you work to have customers
> life financial histories, credit card numbers, health histories dumped
> all over the net by hackers.
>
> You think that when people are made aware of this story come Monday,
> they will treat it as trivial trash and not take any sort of action.
>
> Your not thinking very well are you Joe.
The fact that he endorses M$ is proof of that.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security.
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:50:43 -0700
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > >move than other OSes. They are finding bugs easily without the source.
> > >
> > > This would seem to lend strength to the point that "security by obscurity"
> > > does not work.
> >
> > No, just the opposite. That it does work, and it's not that hard to find holes
> > in it if there are flaws, which seems to be one of the Open Source clan's
> > biggest
> > gripes ("We can't find holes easily because we don't have source code!")
> >
> > It's no less secure, really, than Open Source, and it's about as easy to find
> > bugs when they do exist.
> >
> > Are you saying that Open Source is pefect and never has holes?
> >
> > > >memory properly or doing bounds checks for input, thus resulting in buffer
> > > >overruns. These are fairly easy to test and diagnose without the source.
> > >
> > > Exactly. But some are also much easier to fix with the source.
> >
> > And some aren't, as illustrated in this article. What's your point?
> >
> > > >Or even the good guys inserting backdoors into the login process or
> > > >the cc compiler.
> > >
> > > The good guys don't do this unless they're really dumb.
> >
> > but it happens nonetheless.
> >
> > > >Perhaps Open Source would be more useful if it were actually reviewed by
> > > >boards with autority? If an authority for ceritfying peer reviewers of
> > > >source code were set up, perhaps the dream that the Open Source advocates
> > > >promote would become a reality?
> > >
> > > This is the kind of thing that OpenBSD shoots at. They have an audit team
> > > that actually do audit code all the time. It seems to pay off, because
> > > OpenBSD has an exceptional security track record.
> >
> > Of course, there's nothing really preventing, say, Microsoft from hiring
> > an audit team. One of the purported advantages of Open Source was that ANYONE
> > could review the source, not just some priveleged group of few. However, since
> > that doesn't appear to be of much help, they're going back to a group of few,
> > which Microsoft has and uses frequently (they submitted Win2K source to several
> >
> > audit firms for security and other flaw review). So, what advantage does
> > Open Source have here? Pretty much nothing.
> >
> > > >SendMail continues to be plauged by remotely exploitable bugs.
> > >
> > > Not entirely true. The bug reports have faded somewhat in the last few
> > > years. Still, it's a bit of a mess ( ie very complex piece of software
> > > that usually is run as root ).
> >
> > Exactly my point. Open Source sounds good on paper (kinda like Communism)
> > but it's not effective in practice.
> >
> > -Chad
>
> Sticking your head up your ass again Chad?
>
> Charlie
No, it's privilege of Charlie.
Boris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Subject: Re: Be & Linux & Microsoft...
Reply-To: Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:19:48 +0100
Davorin Mestric wrote:
>Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Anyway you want to cut it, Linux is growing at a steady rate every year.
>windows has 95% desktop share, so it has nowhere to grow.
>
So that's what the 95 in Windows95 means. MS got more ambitious with
Windows98, but I can't see how they can fulfill their goal with
Windows2000...
;-)
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] � http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ � [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
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From: "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security.
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:11:39 -0700
> Of course, there's nothing really preventing, say, Microsoft from hiring
> an audit team. One of the purported advantages of Open Source was that ANYONE
> could review the source, not just some priveleged group of few. However, since
> that doesn't appear to be of much help, they're going back to a group of few,
> which Microsoft has and uses frequently (they submitted Win2K source to several
>
> audit firms for security and other flaw review). So, what advantage does
> Open Source have here? Pretty much nothing.
I find it very disturbing that security flaws are found in MS code which has been
around
for a long time.
Network security holes seem like major weakness of MS products. And in many cases those
holes exist in old stuff which almost nobody uses. MS should adjust their policies to
retire old stuff. If old stuff is still considered useful it should be reviewed
regularly.
Also, MS software is very complicated; it gives user a lot of features. Approach to
release smthg asap is understandable when you are fighting for new markets. But MS has
huge user base; a lot of people rely on their products. MS lets people who rely on it
down
too often. Now that there are alternative products, erosion of MS user base will grow
unless MS creates rock-solid products. It seems that W2K is very solid. But lots of
people
still use NT4; I'm not sure if MS allocates enough resources to support those users. It
will take some time until most of NT4/IIS4 sites move to W2K/IIS5; if some of those
users
get tired from problems they'll just switch to Unix instead.
Boris
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
From: @ .
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:36:44 GMT
OK, Who left the door to the loony bin open?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>MICROSOFT IS THRU!
>MICROSOFT IS THRU!
>MICROSOFT IS THRU!
>MICROSOFT IS THRU!
>MICROSOFT IS THRU!
>MICROSOFT IS THRU!
>
>
>TELL EVERYONE!
>
>Microsoft has been forced to admit they created secret back doors to every
>computer
>system they sold out the DOOR!
>
>This MEANS to the STUPID and IGNORANT that the U.S. Government has ACCESS
>to every MS equipped machine in the world and therefore they
>CAN NOT BE TRUSTED ANYMORE!
>
>Charlie
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:16:48 -0500
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Try reading the facts before you post stupid FUD like that. Yes, MS
reports
> > a vulnerability in the dvwsrr.dll but it's a simple buffer overflow and
has
> > nothing to do with the so-called 'password' which isn't a password but a
>
> Wasn't this exact sort of error cleaned out of unix in...oh...1988???
>
> That's A DOZEN FREAKING YEARS AGO!!!!!!
Buffer overruns are found in Unix all the time. Read CERT for a change.
For instance, try this one from late 1999
>
>
>
> > (random) value needed for the client and the server component to
communicate
> > correctly with eachother. This has been reported by Russ as early as
> > yesterday. As much as I admire RFP's work, it seems everyone can use
this dll
> > if they have enough permissions (some website apparently had very lax
> > permissions set). Okay, I would probably like to see MS hang as much as
a lot
> > of people in this newsgroup do :-) ... but it seems that the 'password'
> > story came out just a little too premature...
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
> C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
> D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
> E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
> F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
> G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:19:14 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:...
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Try reading the facts before you post stupid FUD like that. Yes, MS
> reports
> > > a vulnerability in the dvwsrr.dll but it's a simple buffer overflow
and
> has
> > > nothing to do with the so-called 'password' which isn't a password but
a
> >
> > Wasn't this exact sort of error cleaned out of unix in...oh...1988???
> >
> > That's A DOZEN FREAKING YEARS AGO!!!!!!
>
> Buffer overruns are found in Unix all the time. Read CERT for a change.
>
> For instance, try this one from late 1999
er.. hit send too fast.
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-16-sadmind.html
of course this is a third party tool, and not part of the OS, but then
neither is the buffer overflow you're talking about, which is part of the
FrontPage extensions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram)
Subject: Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible
Date: 18 Apr 2000 06:44:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Try running News offline...
I am at this very moment. As a matter of fact, I have my own news server
running on my notebook...
>Try using a SoundBlaster Live...
Can't say, I don't have one.
>Try using off the shelf hardware...
If you ask me to run Linux on hardware that was specifically built for
use on Windows, I'll ask you to run *any* version of Windows on my Sparc
Classic gateway. I didn't think so.
You choose your off the shelf win-only hardware, I'll choose the broader
range and have identical software on various platforms.
>Try using a non-win/non postscript printer...
I do. I have a Kyocera F2200S (one of those O3 steamers) and have no
problem with it whatsoever. No, it doesn't do postscript. Ghostscript
does that for me.
Now you tell me how I can print a postscript file directly to a
postscript printer on the network (I don't have Netware, so I can't use
"capture") from Win98?
Cheers,
Rob
--
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP 0x07606049 GPG 0xD61A655D
Anyway the :// part is an 'emoticon' representing a man with a
strip of sticky tape across his mouth.
-- R. Douglas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram)
Subject: Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible
Date: 18 Apr 2000 06:31:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Linux sofware as a whole is a joke...It is a collection of hacked
>together crap that never makes version 1.0, and rightfully so because
>most of it sucks....
Then why don't you keep using an environment where they jump version
numbers from 2.0 to 6.0 for marketing purposes? Or where they tie the
version number to a year to guarantee their timely "upgrade" income?
I personally prefer an environment where I can verify the maturity of
the software myself.
Cheers,
Rob
--
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP 0x07606049 GPG 0xD61A655D
Not having Excell in Linux=loosing some of it's portability between
O/S's.
-- Gandalf A. Kristensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:21:06 -0500
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Simnple: Bill Gates believes that Microsoft shall not be constrained by
> rules.
>
> This is why every time they go to court...they LOSE.
> Just like IBM in the 60's and 70's.
They do not lose every time they go to court. In fact, Judge Jackson has
been overturned on appeal every time he's issued a ruling against Microsoft.
> Illegal as all get out.
Yes, get out.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:22:35 -0500
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8deeb7$tdp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <HwoK4.1901$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Dirk Gently" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > With open sorce, you CAN hide a consperacy. It just means you have
> > > too have
> > > > a lot more people in on it, and is therefore less likely to suceed.
> > >
> > > That would be the lousiest conspiracy _ever_; everyone who wants to
know
> > > about it can just read some lines of code - way to hide somthing,
dude!
> >
> > It's quite easy to "hide in plain sight". For instance, self-modifying
code
> > could be implanted into the system which would be very difficult for
someone
> > to notice in a casual perusal.
>
> "Self-modifying code" jumps out at you.
>
> Remember, "text" and "data" spaces are seperated in Unix.
Really? Are you aware of something called a buffer overflow? That's
self-modifying code. It modifies the code on the stack and then executes
it.
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Subject: Re: Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 18 Apr 2000 08:32:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Cat) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>I've never heard of Lothar but I'll take a look it later.
>K-menu (lower left corner of panel) -> System -> lothar.
>
>You might also try sndconfig.
I tried Lothar and it showed no sound card or SCSI adapter. sndconfig
simply hangs and consumes 98% of CPU.
>>I think both are trying to use IRQ 11. The SB-16 is ISA but it is plug
>>and play. I might flip back to my old trusty SB Pro.
>
>Try it with either the 1510 OR the Sb-16 in the system and see what
>happens. Then add the other one after the install is complete.
I looked at removing the sound card and realised the CD drive was attached
to it! I might try yanking the SCSI card out as I've only just added a disk
drive which isn't setup anyway.
>Or if you still have Windows running look at device manager and see
>what IRQ's are assigned to the boards.
Windows won't even install. It hangs after the final reboot. Windows has
worked on this system, Linux is working (but missing sound).
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 03:44:51 -0500
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Try running News offline...
>
> I am at this very moment. As a matter of fact, I have my own news server
> running on my notebook...
Isn't that a bit overkill? And it usually requires you to get a peering
relationship with your ISP. Is that something you expect an average person
to be able to do?
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