Linux-Advocacy Digest #178, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 00:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Dave Martel)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Michael Vester)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Michael Vester)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft (Joseph Meier)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Dan Pop)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Rotten168)
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:03:54 -0700
"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> > >> > Unlike your country, we Americans do not feel the need to have our
> > >> > government take the majority of our income and then dole it back
out
> > >> > to us as seen fit.
> > >>
> > >> maximum of 40% is not a majority.
> > >
> > > Ahhh... that's 40% of your paycheck only. Now factor in sales tax and
> > > specifically the outrageous petro tax and it becomes a majority of
your
> > > paycheck going to the government.
> >
> > There is nothing outrageous about the petrol tax. We use far too much
> > petrol in this country. As for your low petrol tax, where has it got
you,
> > oh yeah, the worlds biggest polluter. Great.
>
> Nothing outrageous, weren't there like huge riots over there a few
> months back?
>
> > >> > Most all medical programs in Eurpoe are a complete disaster. The
> > >> > NHS in the UK should be disbanded immediately.
> > >>
> > >> Well, I'm glad you don't live here, because I do not want to see the
> > >> NHS disappearing any time. I think it is a quite amazing service and
> > >> something we should be proud of.
> > >>
> > >
> > > You may like the NHS but the potential pool of doctors in the UK is
> > > drying up fast due to poor pay, outdated equipment, and poor service.
I
> > > know for a fact that the NHS just recently was denying patients any
> > > dental work which involved braces. Cancer treatment through the NHS
is
> > > a foolish gamble at best and most UK citizens opt to pay for the
> > > treatment in another country because of the limited choices of
treatment
> > > provided by the NHS.
> > >
> > > The NHS provides the same level of medical service that a welfare
> > > recepient in the US recieves.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> > Nowhere in the world does an individual have a greater chance of
> > >> > success building a small business than in the USA. No other nation
> > >> > on Earth puts more money into research and development than the
USA.
> > >>
> > >> Do you have any evidence to back this up, or are you just spouting?
> > >
> > > Errrr.. yeah... I have a lot of evidence of this - I offer as evidence
> > > the United States of America (more venture capital, more R&D dollars,
> > > and the least amount of red tape and government intrusion for starting
a
> > > business than anywhere in the world). in other words, the USA *is*
the
> > > evidence!
> >
> > You have provided no evidence apart from your rants.
>
> You have provided ZERO evidence for your worthless assertions.
>
> > >> > Without the USA, mother Russia would have gobbled up most all of
> > >> > Europe long ago.
> > >>
> > >> Without mother Russia, the Nazia would have gobbled up the "land of
the
> > >> free" long ago.
> > >
> > > I must have missed that novel piece of history.
> >
> > Think about it. If the communists didn't
> > sacrifice 20 million people against the Nazis and stop them dead on the
> > eastern front, the Nazis would have overrun Europe with out much
problem.
> > You guys would have been next in the firing line. And there is a
> > reasonable chance that the US would have been defeated by the Nazis, but
> > we will never know that. Just thionk, you might owe all of your lives
tio
> > the commies.
>
> And you owe all of your lives to us. Think about that.
>
> Do you really think a country about the size of Texas could defeat a
> country with probably more than 10 times it's population and even bigger
> sizewise? C'mon man, grow a brain.
>
> We should've let the Nazis stoot-slap your asses, it would've shut you
> up.
More ideally, we should've listened more carefully
to Patton, and just taken the USSR when we had the
chance.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:15:31 -0700
"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9fngm6$obl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >If you don't understand that, then you are a spineless
> >coward.
>
> People will continue to mock you as long as you make this ridiculous
> assosiation that those who do not claim pride or love for their country
are
> cowards.
A person who chooses not to take sides is the very
definition of a coward, Mr. Brown. If you cannot
see that, then God help you, sir.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:21:23 -0700
"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
8<SNIP>8
> It's not that I hate America or am ungrateful to be an American. It's
> just that there good and bad points about it. To me, patriotism is about
> blindly defending America, like getting emotionally upset when it's
> verbally attacked. I do defend America when it's wrongly attacked in
> newsgroups, but not because I'm patriotic. I defend America because I
> feel the person attacking it is wrong.
Then I think you are missing the point...
Being patriotic has nothing to do with blindly
defending anything. If you are a patriot, then
you have cause to love your country. If you are
not a patriot, then you either don't care, which
is the attitude many of the "we must hate and
punish ourselves" liberals are, or you simply
don't like it here, in which case, you shouldn't
stay here, lest you be miserable.
> To me, patriotism is "America right or wrong".
Again, you are missing the point of patriotism.
Tell me, would you feel confident in American
defense if our military wasn't patriotic?
What if Bush decided to "be nice" to China, instead
of threatening that we would show them where we
were going to stick those chopsticks of theirs if
they didn't exceed to our demands, do you think
we would have gotten our men back?
The notion that patriotism is a bad thing is a sign
of someone who has been spiritually defeated, and
I honestly cannot believe that you, assuming you are
an American, do not feel some sort of pride in this
place.
> > I don't love the U.S. because "I was born here by chance".
> > I love the U.S. because I've seen the alternatives, and
> > they suck in comparison.
> >
> > I'm sick of working-class union-types, who think that
> > being American is about being a worker all your life.
> >
> > Being an American is about achieving greatness, on your
> > own, like in the old days, when people knew what they
> > had. If you think that there's no reason to love the
> > US, then I'd suggest that you go and live in China for
> > a few years, and then we'll see what you have to say.
> >
> > If you don't understand that, then you are a spineless
> > coward.
> >
> > Godammed fucking linguini-spined coward liberals just
> > piss me off... GRRR!@#
>
> Ok it seems we've touched on a hot subject here, just try to see it my
> way, and I'm not some horrible commie who wants to burn all American
> flags or something.
I'll never see it that way, because I'm happy to be who
I am. I'm a proud Yank, and I'll die a proud Yank. On
top of that, I'm a Son of the American Revolution (SAR),
so this country's roots flows in my veins, my friend.
I can't believe that you would seriously advocate that
people shouldn't be proud of who they are, and where they
come from... do you know what the word is for people who
are like that?... defeated.
To be honest, it sounds to me that you are actually buying
into the "we should be ashamed of who we are in light of
the other cultures out there" blithering that the Daschles
and the Gepharts in Washington are spewing onto the T.V.
There is is plenty to despise about someone who thinks
that simply because they live in a particular region
that they are better than the people in another region,
but there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with loving who
you are, where you are, and where you came from.
You're a well-intentioned person, but you've seemingly
been persuaded to feel guilty about something that
you should not feel guilty about at all.
I sort of lost it a bit there, but my point was, there
is nothing that you or I or anyone who lives here has
to be ashamed of (except for Bill Clinton for 8 years).
You're an American... your blood is as red as mine...
be proud it. :-)
* Speech ends with Star Spangled Banner...
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:25:54 -0700
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen Edwards wrote:
> >
> >I'm sick of working-class union-types, who think that
> >being American is about being a worker all your life.
> >
> >Being an American is about achieving greatness, on your
> >own, like in the old days, when people knew what they
> >had. If you think that there's no reason to love the
> >US, then I'd suggest that you go and live in China for
> >a few years, and then we'll see what you have to say.
> >
> >If you don't understand that, then you are a spineless
> >coward.
> >
> >Godammed fucking linguini-spined coward liberals just
> >piss me off... GRRR!@#
>
> You are quite possibly the most disgusting person
> I've ever encountered on the Internet.
>
> It is a horrible shame that you are amongst us.
I'd expect that kind of response from an unpatriotic
coward.
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:27:18 -0600
On 12 Jun 2001 13:05:10 -0500, "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 12 Jun 2001 11:48:13 -0500, "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Yes, I know the study was partially sponsored by MS (someone has to pay
>for
>> >these things) so please don't fire off stupid replies implying that MS
>> >purposely contaminated it's own results by 'buying the study' - that's
>just
>> >preposterous.
>>
>> Not at all preposterous, given their past history of sponsoring
>> "flawed" studies.
>
>Such as? Please don't insult us by saying "Mindcraft" as the two subsequent
>retests proved such claims as false and misleading.
Mindcraft.
>
>>
>> At any rate there's a more accurate measure of linux's market share:
>> Microsoft does not launch all-out attacks against niche operating
>> systems that present no threat to Windows. That they're willing to
>> risk so many lies says so very much about their desperation.
>
>That's an opinion which I only partially agree with. However, even if MS
>considers Linux a threat - that does not equal server shipments or mean that
>the figures given by Gartner are inaccurate.
No, but it gives good reason to be suspicious when three independents
(IDC, AllNetResearch, and NetCraft) come up with a higher set of
figures, and a survey sponsored by MS in the midst of a disinformation
campaign comes up with very much lower numbers.
BTW if linux has only 10%, how much does Windows have?
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:02:19 -0700
Nico Coetzee wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
> > I remember years ago when I first started using Linux. I was a little scared
> > about trusting data and stuff to an OS written by volunteers, but I told myself
> > I would have to go cold turkey if I was ever going to do it.
> >
> > That was in 1996.
> >
> > I have not lost one bit of data to Linux. I can count all the crashes on one
> > hand. My pay scale has doubled.
> >
> > I will never go back to Windows.
>
> I can double that! I have lost data twice under Windows NT. The last
> time, I used Linux to get some of the data back, as Linux was the only
> system that could still mount that NTFS partition. But some of the data
> was so corrupted, although I could copy it to a normal disk, it was
> useless. To this day, no one could tell me what went wrong. It was
> classic - Dr Watson pops up, 30 seconds later the PC reboots, and NT
> never came up again.
>
> ;)
I can triple that. I had a bad experience with losedos 3.51 blowing away
the entire NTSF partition, twice. Wasted a lot of time restoring it.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:05:13 -0700
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw wrote:
> >I remember years ago when I first started using Linux. I was a little scared
> >about trusting data and stuff to an OS written by volunteers, but I told myself
> >I would have to go cold turkey if I was ever going to do it.
> >
> >That was in 1996.
> >
> >I have not lost one bit of data to Linux. I can count all the crashes on one
> >hand. My pay scale has doubled.
> >
> >I will never go back to Windows.
>
> I let Windows totally the year after you.
>
> It's tuff to raise a family and continue to pay Bill Gates $$$
> for licenses, software, new computers. He'll I was spending
> over $6,000 a year on the crap. My wife wished it would
> get addicted to crack cocaine as it would be cheaper for
> the family as I'd die quicker.
>
> It was at that time I decided to flush windows down the toilet.
>
> In time, I've rid myself of every box of Windows software I've
> ever had and I don't regret leaving the garbage one bit.
>
> Then there was the work situation with NT servers. NT servers
> are worthless peices of shit. Our servers would always go down
> at 3:00 AM. Then I'd have to go in and spend 8 hours rebuilding
> the servers. I got so angry about it I used to threaten people
> not to touch the server or I'd tear their heads off and shove them
> up their asses. But this idea was to no avail as the server would
> just explode anytime after 34 hours of uptime anyway.
>
> I realized there had to be a better way for
> business to work than to continue to use this diahrea-ware.
>
> And so I've been using Linux at home since 97 solely.
> Debian has everything I need and it's never failed me, not
> once. I have never lost data while using Linux.
> It has never happened.
>
> My uptime is limited only to the stupidity of the local
> power company.
>
> After 4 years of using Linux for a family server and a desktop,
> I can say that Linux is ready to serve anybody.
>
> And when you consider the cost of Windows, the buggyness of
> Windows, the security threat of Windows, and the fact
> that Microsoft is a money hungy monopoly which is hell
> bent on entrapment of all the computer users of the ENTIRE
> WORLD, you realise people who run windows are simply put,
> brainless dumbshits....
>
> I mean their totally clueless.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Charlie
> -------
Don't hold anything back, Charlie.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:33:20 +1200
> More ideally, we should've listened more carefully
> to Patton, and just taken the USSR when we had the
> chance.
How would that have helped? the US benefited in that the Soviet Union
created the first biological weapon, when the US originally thought it would
be impossible. First person in space, first sat. in space, first woman in
space, first space station in space, first lander on venus. One can go on
and on about the accomplishments of the former Soviet Union. Also, the only
reason why the Soviet Union collapsed was the lack of re-investment back
into their industries, thus, not enought hard currency coming back into the
coffers (government's treasury) to pay the bills. The US didn't go to good
either, ballooning the debt to 2 trillion dollars, over half of it due to
Vietnam, which they lost miserably, which funny enough, the US still treats
it as though they won.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
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From: Joseph Meier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:37:49 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 6/11/01, 1:15:50 AM, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding =
Re:=20
Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows:
> somebody wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone else read the latest issue of Linux Magazine? There is an=
=20
interview
> > of Dennis Ritchie complete with several photos of him sitting behind=
his=20
desk at
> > bell labs.
> >
> > his monitor is clearly visible-- very obviously and very ironically =
running
> > ms-windows! LOL, i had to laugh!
> >
> > i didn't see any mention of that in the interview, but c'mon, the=20
co-inventor of
> > UNIX is now using Microsoft WINDOWS?!?!?
> >
> > check out the article for yourself. dunno if it's online anywhere.
> Find us a link and prove it.
> --
> =17V=03
I've got the mag and the pictures of Ritchie's monitor are pretty=20
fuzzy........
Joseph Meier
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pop)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 13 Jun 2001 03:21:20 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley) writes:
>In article <9g42ap$luq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pop) wrote:
>
>Goddammit guys, why is this so hard to understand?
>I am not complaining about the inability to get data from machien A to
>machine B. Whatever problems may exist in that area, they are the least of
>my worries.
Then, migratiing from a Linux box to another is a piece of cake :-)
>The point is not that "all you have to do is copy the material in this
>tree from here to there; then copy the scripts that you modified in this
>folder; then copy whatever X placed in that folder".
>The point is that I have to do anything at all.
??? How would you expect the software installed on one machine to
migrate to another without doing "anything at all"?
>On a mac---I couldn't speak about other loser systems---I upgrade the OS
>on my machine by installing a new CD, hitting the "go" button, and coming
>back twenty minutes later. All done and it just works.
>I can NOT get that same ease of use when I want to upgrade to a new
>computer. In that case I have to spend large amounts of time moving
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>material from the old computer to the new---but being careful to extract
>only some of the data from these folders into the folders on the new
>machine. I contend that a consequence of this is that Apple loses some
>non-trivial fraction of sales each year from people who just couldn't be
>bothered to go through the pain of this transition. I likewise contend
>that the same is true of Windows.
>Finally I have seen little to lead me to believe that things would be any
>better under Linux.
Well, on Linux you DON'T have to spend large amounts of time doing that.
The areas that need to be moved are quite well defined and the whole
thing takes only a few commands. No need to spend hours pointing and
clicking :-)
Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, IT Division
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail: CERN - IT, Bat. 31 1-014, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:42:05 GMT
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> 8<SNIP>8
>
> > It's not that I hate America or am ungrateful to be an American. It's
> > just that there good and bad points about it. To me, patriotism is about
> > blindly defending America, like getting emotionally upset when it's
> > verbally attacked. I do defend America when it's wrongly attacked in
> > newsgroups, but not because I'm patriotic. I defend America because I
> > feel the person attacking it is wrong.
>
> Then I think you are missing the point...
>
> Being patriotic has nothing to do with blindly
> defending anything. If you are a patriot, then
> you have cause to love your country. If you are
> not a patriot, then you either don't care, which
> is the attitude many of the "we must hate and
> punish ourselves" liberals are, or you simply
> don't like it here, in which case, you shouldn't
> stay here, lest you be miserable.
I suppose what I really detest is nationalism.
> > To me, patriotism is "America right or wrong".
>
> Again, you are missing the point of patriotism.
>
> Tell me, would you feel confident in American
> defense if our military wasn't patriotic?
No, but I feel that we should work to unify the world, not divide it.
> What if Bush decided to "be nice" to China, instead
> of threatening that we would show them where we
> were going to stick those chopsticks of theirs if
> they didn't exceed to our demands, do you think
> we would have gotten our men back?
>
> The notion that patriotism is a bad thing is a sign
> of someone who has been spiritually defeated, and
> I honestly cannot believe that you, assuming you are
> an American, do not feel some sort of pride in this
> place.
I have pride in America. I suppose I'm just rational first, patriotic
second.
> > > I don't love the U.S. because "I was born here by chance".
> > > I love the U.S. because I've seen the alternatives, and
> > > they suck in comparison.
> > >
> > > I'm sick of working-class union-types, who think that
> > > being American is about being a worker all your life.
> > >
> > > Being an American is about achieving greatness, on your
> > > own, like in the old days, when people knew what they
> > > had. If you think that there's no reason to love the
> > > US, then I'd suggest that you go and live in China for
> > > a few years, and then we'll see what you have to say.
> > >
> > > If you don't understand that, then you are a spineless
> > > coward.
> > >
> > > Godammed fucking linguini-spined coward liberals just
> > > piss me off... GRRR!@#
> >
> > Ok it seems we've touched on a hot subject here, just try to see it my
> > way, and I'm not some horrible commie who wants to burn all American
> > flags or something.
>
> I'll never see it that way, because I'm happy to be who
> I am. I'm a proud Yank, and I'll die a proud Yank. On
> top of that, I'm a Son of the American Revolution (SAR),
> so this country's roots flows in my veins, my friend.
>
> I can't believe that you would seriously advocate that
> people shouldn't be proud of who they are, and where they
> come from... do you know what the word is for people who
> are like that?... defeated.
No no no, I didn't say you should be ashamed to be an American, you just
shouldn't be proud to be one. You should not have pride in something you
did nothing to accomplish.
Proud to be black, proud to be white, proud to be a christian, proud to
be a muslim, proud to be Puerto Rican, proud to be... etc. When does it
end?
Have pride in your country and your accomplishments, don't have pride in
something you were born into.
> To be honest, it sounds to me that you are actually buying
> into the "we should be ashamed of who we are in light of
> the other cultures out there" blithering that the Daschles
> and the Gepharts in Washington are spewing onto the T.V.
Not at all.
> There is is plenty to despise about someone who thinks
> that simply because they live in a particular region
> that they are better than the people in another region,
> but there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with loving who
> you are, where you are, and where you came from.
>
> You're a well-intentioned person, but you've seemingly
> been persuaded to feel guilty about something that
> you should not feel guilty about at all.
>
> I sort of lost it a bit there, but my point was, there
> is nothing that you or I or anyone who lives here has
> to be ashamed of (except for Bill Clinton for 8 years).
>
> You're an American... your blood is as red as mine...
> be proud it. :-)
>
> * Speech ends with Star Spangled Banner...
Ok, maybe I shouldn't have made the blanket statement about all of
patriotism... I think I was more talking about nationalism than
patriotism. "America right or wrong" is more of a nationalist sentiment
than a patriotic one. Nationalism is a sign of arrogance, and if not
fought will eventually lead us to another Vietnam.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:56:37 GMT
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
the American freedom there?
I've heard several Canadians talk about warning people who take a trip
into America about how to act with the police: be extremely obsequious.
In Canada apparently, the police act as a force that exists to help you,
they are friendly, courteous, helpful etc. They don't automatically
assume you are guilty of a crime like here in the states. American
police are seen as jack-booted thugs who have stop and search your car
if they feel like it, without a warning.
If anywhere should be put on the pedestal of freedom, it should be
Denmark.
So while I do have a certain amount of pride in this country, part of me
is pissed off as hell about the apathy people display when they tout the
"freedom" of America when that's not entirely the case.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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