Linux-Advocacy Digest #264, Volume #26 Wed, 26 Apr 00 14:13:43 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux should be pronounced with a long I ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Ciaran)
Re: which OS is best? (Subpop)
Re: Grasping perspective... (was Re: Forget buying drestin UNIX...) ("Joseph T.
Adams")
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
(Christopher Browne)
Re: Binary Thinking ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 5 Common Mistakes 52645523 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux from a Windows perspective ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: i cant blieve you people!! ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linus Torvalds ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Government to break up Microsoft ("Otto")
Re: Government to break up Microsoft ("Otto")
Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows2000 sale success.. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux from a Windows perspective ("John W. Rose")
Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"... (s_Ea_DAag0n)
Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"... (s_Ea_DAag0n)
Re: Illegal to discount software - Linux is in trouble! ("John W. Rose")
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
(s_Ea_DAag0n)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be pronounced with a long I
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:46:02 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
wrote:
> I've heard (OK read) Linus dosent care how you pronounce it as long as you like
> it.
By the by.....
Whats Linus been doing lately?
Isn't there something going on with
a ``Mercede'' chip or something?
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Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
From: Ciaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:43:14 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty) wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:34:19 GMT, steve jobsniak
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking
the rest of
>>the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
>>*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
>>crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple
with it???
>>of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change
your mind
>>now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from
happening?
>
>If the market is so fragile that one company's misfortunes can
>bring it all down, it's time for that company to die anyway.
>Think of the result as a temporary fever while the body attacks
>the virus :-)
I agree. I was watching the TV the other day in wake of the "big
drop" in tech stocks the other day and some guy(who was
apparently an expert on IT stocks) was saying that the result of
this drop was that people were going to be more careful in
future. He said that investors may have to look into what an
company is actually doing before investing. What ??? *May* have
to look into ??? Does this mean that up until now investors have
been throwing money at random companies in the hope of making
money ?
Being just a little 'puter programmer, I know as much about the
stock exchange as the average broker knows about dereferencing
pointers... but what the hell is going on with this ?
Cheers,
Ciaran
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From: Subpop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:45:45 -0600
in article 8e5h9i$qv5$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Leslie Mikesell at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on 4/25/00 7:37 PM:
> It probably depends on how you were brainwashed in school. Apple
> and Microsoft invested a lot in making you think the way you
> do. If it were really intuitive, there would, of course, be
> no need to make such an effort to expose children at an early
> age - they would just understand it anyway...
Funny, when I was in (high) school, I used DOS machines.. When I was in JR.
High school we used Apple II's.. Both these machines used CLIs and I became
quite skilled at it.. (I even made sophisticated .BAT files when I was
running my own DOS machine at home).. Of course, I couldn't stand the
stupid fact that DOS didn't have so much as a MOVE command until version 6
came out... (4DOS was nice though).. After years of that, let's just say
the computer I use now says a lot..
I wouldn't go as far as to say CLIs are useless, but there sure is a lot
more than can be done on modern GUIs if they are laid out right.. (of
course, this leaves Windows out of the picture)..
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Grasping perspective... (was Re: Forget buying drestin UNIX...)
Date: 26 Apr 2000 02:49:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: What if brakes worked only 99% of the time?
Or condoms?
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:49:37 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Colin R. Day would say:
>sea_Dragon wrote:
><snip>
>> I have been compiling and installing new Linux kernels for 6.5 years and
>> know what I am doing. I gave the correct root drive. I added the new
>> kernel to MILO, and kept the old one, and neither would boot with the
>
>Isn't that LILO? Could explain the problem.
I use MILO, don't you? :-)
[Alpha, anyone?]
--
"...[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals."
-- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/alpha.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Binary Thinking
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:41:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Brian D. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is consistent with what I've seen from our outsourced NT support
> organization. Many of these MSCE's have installed Linux at home, and
> are asking my group Linux questions.
>
> -Brian Smith.
I saw the IDC blurbs on Linuxtoday; don't have the patience to research
it now, but seems like it was more than one study. Given this group's
aversion to anecdotal evidence, I won't bother mentioning that eight of
our nine MCSE's have Linux up and running at home. Some like it, some
don't. Some are looking at it because they're pissed off at Microsoft
about the re-certification bullsh*t, and some want to run a webserver
and have had to come to grips with their financial realities. Some are
just curious to see what the enemy looks like.
Oh, and the ninth MCSE doesn't even have a home system. Smart dude.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 5 Common Mistakes 52645523
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:44:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 1. Don't Gamble when tired.
> 2. Don't Gamble when hungry.
> 3. Don't Gamble when distracted.
> 4. Don't Gamble with Money you need.
> 5. Once won, the money is yours. You are not playing on free money.
> 6. Check out this site!
>
> http://www.go2jackpots.com/3355
>
7. Don't post when drunk.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux from a Windows perspective
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:55:40 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
> I've been attempting to install Linux on my older P166 system and having a
> few problems.
>
> I have a SB16 card, and a AHA1520B card. Both are ISA, both are PnP. I
> finally figured out one of my SB16 cards was faulty as Windows would not
> boot with it.
>
> I can get Windows to boot with both cards but not Linux. I kept a note of
> the settings Windows uses and tried the same on Linux. Linux then proceeded
> to hang and emit messages about the SCSI controller.
>
> When I reboot Linux, it's lost the SCSI controller.
>
> Now, from a Windows user perspective, Linux hasn't changed in one respect
> since I last looked at it. It is still a tricky package to install.
>
> I have three distributions:
>
> Slakware 7.0
> Red Hat 6.0
> Mandrake 7.0 Deluxe
>
> Slakware is the most difficult to install but results in a lean, clean
> machine. Unfortunately, things are harder to setup as none of the easy to
> use tools are there, but it does boot faster and startup X faster.
>
> Mandrake is very easy to install but boots slower and X is definately a lot
> slower. Also, setup asks a few bizarre questions - installing packages
> results in a dialog box showing me the size of everything its about to
> install. The dialog seems to suggest I can change this size!
>
> The Mandrake installer tries to install the AHA152X card automatically but
> fails. So it asks me for parameters and the most confusing dialog appears:
>
> aha152x (1-8i)
> aha152x1 (1-8i)
>
> Now, nothing explains on screen what these mean. I took a wild guess and
> entered aha152x=0x340,11,7 and it worked.
>
> I can boot both systems with the SB16 card in, but if I try to setup the
> card, SCSI dies. I can't reboot after that as I can't get past the kernel
> trying to load the sound card.
>
> A friend at work said to me "What did you expect with Linux, it's free
> software after all". I guess I expected more from something that is
> supposed to be a Windows killer. I guess it's not there yet, and is still
> playing catchup.
>
> Pete
No Its not playing catch-up.
You're having to do something you don't
have to do with that brain-dead dos-gui:
Think!! Experiment!! Learn!!
Perhaps you have a hardware conflict.
Some PNP devices set up fine in Windows
but seem a little stubborn in Linux.
Try disabling PNP on the cards and manually
set them up in Windows.
(boot/re-boot/boot/re-boot/boot/re-boot...etc...)
Copy down the settings
and use them as your module paramaters in Linux.
I had to do this with a ``well known'' NIC; worked fine
under Windows, but would not initialize in Linux.
Now works fine on a dual-boot box.
-- Linux on a Packard Bell?
You-betcha...three of 'em!
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From: "Shock Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:55:45 GMT
"steve jobsniak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8e378b$5jv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
> the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
> *happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
> crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
> of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
> now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
I'm happy as I got my tech related stocks out of my portfolio prior to any
significant reduction in value.. and am licking my chops awaiting for the
low point.
It's turning into an astounding buying opportunity!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:07:21 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>>
>> I believe that the operation system create by Linus Torvalds, Linux, is the
>downfall of the software industry. People who use such a dreaful program should be
>shot. How dare they take money from hardworking companies like microsoft and driving
>down my shares.
>>
>> ==================================
>> Posted via http://nodevice.com
>> Linux Programmer's Site
>
> Crossposted to the proper usenet-group. Let's see the
> reactions, shall we?
> (What an asshole!)
>
Linus...c'mon now...relax!
That's enough of the beer now OK?
Aren't you supposed to be working on
something important now?
Mercede's chip off the old block
or something?
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:07:52 GMT
"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:42:45 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> >Quality is not the issue here usability is.
> >>
> >> That is how one typically judges 'desktop quality'. This is
> >> why Microsoft is a featured OS at the user interface hall of
> >> shame. They implemented a poor copy of other's work (MacOS,
> >> NeXT, OS/2).
> >
> >The price of the product, availability of the applications, ease of use,
>
> Point A has little to nothing to do with quality. It's a completely
> orthogonal issue. Point B is disputable. The end user doesn't need
> EVERYthing. This is fortunate, as the nature of the WinTel market
> tends to force one away from the bulk of the significant choices
> anyways.
If quality would have anything to do with success there would be a lot of
failures in any market, never mind in the technology market. Wintel market
is successful because of the price, ease of use, and the availability of the
product, not necessarily in that order. Maybe the "significant choices"
should learn from Wintel.
> >And as an admin for a web site with 15 NT 4.0 servers I'm yet to see
>
> 15 to 1.
>
> Geez.
>
> ...talk about poor WinTel TCO.
FYI.... It is 6 web servers load balanced, clustered firewalls and SQL
servers, T3 connection to the web. You don't say that one Linux box could
handle all of that, do you?
> >The question is that will the software companies write programs for that
> >platform? Most of them aren't willing to take the risks and do so. That's
>
> Software companies are already writing for various platforms.
> It's happening already to some degree. The great lie is that
> it isn't. The more subtle FUD is the implication that for any
> arbitrary user it won't be sufficient.
The users seem to disagree with you.
>
> >not to say that there isn't any, there are, but the majority is quite
> >satisfied with one platform. Financially it is more profitable to develop
a
>
> The majority is not free to voice their dissatisfaction and never
> has percieved themselves to be. There is no need for an end user
> to be aware that while they are using one OS, their friends are
> using another. This distinction only serves to make a limited number
> of people more powerful.
One big happy family... Guess what, not when it comes to computers. It isn't
only MS which has propriatery stuff.
> >Perhaps one day it will be possible, provided that financially the Apple
> >platform will be equal to Wintel. Otherwise the majority of the end users
>
> It's possible already. It's quite obvious and right there in the
> sales figures. It's also quite verifiable for Linux as well. Both
> have seen a sudden growth on the desktop this year.
To start with, it is bearly verifiable for Linux on the desktop. Even if it
doubled its market share, Linux still accounts for nothing in the desktop
market, statistically speaking. Apple had a marginal increase in its market
share, so what. Leave it to Steve Job to screw it up again.
> >That's arguable at best. Even under Linux I prefer StarOffice 5.1 over
>
> Considering just how feebly MS Shills defend their pet word processor,
> its not at all demonstrated that msoffice posseses any characteristic
> (relevant to the vast majority of end users) beyond the perception of
> being a predominant or microsoft product that can't be matched by any
> other office suite.
At the present moment there is no other office product can match the quality
of MS Office. It might not be relevent for the majority of the users, but
that's what they are using.
>
> >WorldPerfect. At least it's free vs. whatever Corel costs. And this fact
in
> >itself goes back to what I said earlier. For most people the cost of the
PC
> >and the applications does matter a great deal when all things are pretty
> >much equal.
>
> Except all things have never been equal. There have always been
> artificial compatibility constraints preventing end users from
> acting and buying freely.
The end users are free to buy whatever they want to. Buying an Apple
computer guarantees "artificial compatibility constraints" also. Each of the
platforms have its own built-in constraints. Just because MS happens to have
90+% market share these constraints all of a sudden becomes a problem. All
things are equal, it is just more visible when it comes to Microsoft.
Otto
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:12:49 GMT
"Mike Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Otto wrote:
>
> > So what, I have Caldera 2.4 runing next to my NT box and still do all of
my
> > work on NT.
>
> You made the blanket claim that windows is a better desktop OS, when in
many
> cases (and I used myself as an example) it is not.
>
Many, meaning 90+% of the desktop users. Your case doesn't fall under that,
nor does mine. Welcome to the world of minorities...
For most people the Windows is a better desktop OS.
Otto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What else is hidden in MS code???
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:15:30 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S.
Wolfram) wrote:
> [cola added]
> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> #1 - The probability that there's a backdoor in any Microsoft OS or
>>> application is about equal to the probability that there's a flight
>>> simulator hidden in a spreadsheet program.
>>
>>Proof for this conclusion ?
>
> It's not a conclusion, it's a statement. It's not even my statement, but
> I wholeheartly agree. Read between the lines.
>
>>> #2 - There's no way you can proof the absence of a backdoor in FP98
>>> short of examining the source, which can only be consisdered possible
>>> if you have a source license.
>>
>>Which, I'm usre, is possible if you want to pay for it.
>
> Of course it is. <Hey Drestin, do you have the source to FP98?>
>
>>> #3 - Using open source software does guarantee you the absence of back
>>> doors. It also guarantees that security algorithms are properly
>>> implemented and does not rely on STO.
>>
>>How does it guarantee this ? Where is the guarantee there's no conspiracy
>>by all the people who can actually understand the code ? How are the people
>>who *can't* do the code review themselves (ie the vast majority) supposed to
>>be reassured ?
>
> Were you by any chance the writer of the plot for "The Matrix"?
xirtam:
_the_
missing
dll
Bills view many years from now...
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows2000 sale success..
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:06:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Brian D. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 73%? I don't think so...
Before I posted my response, I did an AltaVista search for anything to
do with NT and unit volumes or market share (add parentheses where
necessary). Got ambiguous results. So I said to myself, "self, ..."
and dared enter the magical haunted forest that is microsoft.com. I
searched for "market share" and "unit volume" and $DEITY knows what else
and found an article that claimed that number that I quoted.
Since then, I have been trying to re-find that URL. Well, it seems that
microsoft.com's search engine is now borken. Doesn't matter what I type
into the "enter a search phrase" field, all I get is a page saying "the
page cannot be found". I can even type in the word "microsoft" and get
the same denial of existence. This certainly makes me want to rush
right out and pay the big bucks for SQL-server, IIS, and whatever else.
Do I need to wave the dead chicken...?
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Before you buy.
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From: "John W. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux from a Windows perspective
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:36:42 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
> > I've been attempting to install Linux on my older P166 system and having a
> > few problems.
> >
> > I have a SB16 card, and a AHA1520B card. Both are ISA, both are PnP. I
> > finally figured out one of my SB16 cards was faulty as Windows would not
> > boot with it.
> >
> > I can get Windows to boot with both cards but not Linux. I kept a note of
> > the settings Windows uses and tried the same on Linux. Linux then proceeded
> > to hang and emit messages about the SCSI controller.
> >
> > When I reboot Linux, it's lost the SCSI controller.
> >
> > Now, from a Windows user perspective, Linux hasn't changed in one respect
> > since I last looked at it. It is still a tricky package to install.
> >
> > I have three distributions:
> >
> > Slakware 7.0
> > Red Hat 6.0
> > Mandrake 7.0 Deluxe
> >
> > Slakware is the most difficult to install but results in a lean, clean
> > machine. Unfortunately, things are harder to setup as none of the easy to
> > use tools are there, but it does boot faster and startup X faster.
> >
> > Mandrake is very easy to install but boots slower and X is definately a lot
> > slower. Also, setup asks a few bizarre questions - installing packages
> > results in a dialog box showing me the size of everything its about to
> > install. The dialog seems to suggest I can change this size!
> >
> > The Mandrake installer tries to install the AHA152X card automatically but
> > fails. So it asks me for parameters and the most confusing dialog appears:
> >
> > aha152x (1-8i)
> > aha152x1 (1-8i)
> >
> > Now, nothing explains on screen what these mean. I took a wild guess and
> > entered aha152x=0x340,11,7 and it worked.
> >
> > I can boot both systems with the SB16 card in, but if I try to setup the
> > card, SCSI dies. I can't reboot after that as I can't get past the kernel
> > trying to load the sound card.
> >
> > A friend at work said to me "What did you expect with Linux, it's free
> > software after all". I guess I expected more from something that is
> > supposed to be a Windows killer. I guess it's not there yet, and is still
> > playing catchup.
> >
> > Pete
> No Its not playing catch-up.
> You're having to do something you don't
> have to do with that brain-dead dos-gui:
> Think!! Experiment!! Learn!!
> Perhaps you have a hardware conflict.
> Some PNP devices set up fine in Windows
> but seem a little stubborn in Linux.
> Try disabling PNP on the cards and manually
> set them up in Windows.
> (boot/re-boot/boot/re-boot/boot/re-boot...etc...)
> Copy down the settings
> and use them as your module paramaters in Linux.
> I had to do this with a ``well known'' NIC; worked fine
> under Windows, but would not initialize in Linux.
> Now works fine on a dual-boot box.
>
> -- Linux on a Packard Bell?
> You-betcha...three of 'em!
Oh I forgot, who started this Linux vs. Windows thing anyway?
Linux != Windows!!!
dbgb: syntax error: ``!!!''
dbgb: should be ``;''
STOP IT!!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s_Ea_DAag0n)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:36:19 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:21:19 -0500, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Gee, you know, it sounds almost just like the linvocates who say the same
>thing about WindowsNT and having to reboot every day, etc.
Indeed.
For those who've just joined us, a summary:
If you install Linux and it doesn't crash who are a Really Smart,
31337 h@x0r who nobody can look down upon.
If you install Linux and it crashes then it is the fault of the
operator. [1]
If you install Windows and it crashes, then it is the fault of the OS.
If you install Windows and it doesn't crash, then you are a liar. [2]
[1] Actually, they're right about that one. It is the operators fault
for choosing to run Linux instead of a stable OS.
[2] Funny who the COLA'ers who post their Linux uptime in their sigs
usually have uptimes less than two weeks while my Windows machine has
been up for five months without logging out (and who knows how long
since a reboot).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s_Ea_DAag0n)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:37:42 GMT
On 25 Apr 2000 20:19:00 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Except that in the NT case it is our own experience - at least
>pre-sp6a.
Exactly whose experience was the file system corruption which occured
on my machine the other day?
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From: "John W. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Illegal to discount software - Linux is in trouble!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:41:56 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SeaDragon) writes:
>
> > From the Techweb article on proposed Microsoft remedies:
> >
> > http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000420S0016
> >
> > "Also, the software giant may have to open its APIs and stop discounting
> > Windows to PC makers."
> >
> > Oh boy. So it's illegal to give a DISCOUNT on software? What is going
> > to happen to Linux? If it is illegal for Microsoft to give a discount
> > of a few dollars, what are they going to do when they are giving away
> > Linux for FREE??? Is Linus going to get the chair? And how is
> > discounting software bad for the consumer? Should the government impose
> > a price floor on OS'es so PC's have to be more expensive? You all better
> > be careful about proclaiming that Linux is free, because that's ILLEGAL!
>
> There is no 'J' in the DOJ anymore.
Where can I find the anti-trust ``bill'' on the net?
>
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:27:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Subpop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in article 8e5h9i$qv5$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Leslie Mikesell at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 4/25/00 7:37 PM:
> I wouldn't go as far as to say CLIs are useless, but there sure is a
lot
> more than can be done on modern GUIs if they are laid out right.. (of
> course, this leaves Windows out of the picture)..
*NIX shells are (and always have been) much more than "just" a Command
Line Interpreter. They're a robust scripting language. We recently had
a domain name change where I work, and the MS-Exchange admins spent more
than fifty man-hours pointing-and-clicking to update our users' e-mail
addresses. I wrote a few quick lines of shell script, and did the same
thing to all my UNIX boxes in five minutes that it took the MSFT GUI
folks all day to implement.
Always use the best tool for the job. But when you've only got a
hammer, all your problems look like a nail.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s_Ea_DAag0n)
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:40:13 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:20:18 GMT, Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sounds like it wasn't unmounted cleanly and needed a simple fsck to me...
>hardly a "corrupted" filesystem.
Incorrect. The superblock was bad. The kernel didn't recognize the FS. It
didn't even get to run fsck on it. It was unmounted cleanly (at least,
assuming Linux does it properly on shutdown -r; if not it is Yet Another
Linux Bug).
>Hmm, so you're a kernel developer eh? Why not devleop asynch I/O for it
>yourself then?
Because the kernel architecture of Linux is too broken to support it, and it
would have to be kludged in. It would be messy, at best.
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