Linux-Advocacy Digest #264, Volume #27 Thu, 22 Jun 00 23:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux is awesome! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With (OSguy)
Re: What UNIX is good for. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: What UNIX is good for. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux is awesome! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: What UNIX is good for. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: It's all about the microsurfs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Charlie Ebert the LinoShill (Charlie Ebert)
Re: What UNIX is good for. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: It's all about the microsurfs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What UNIX is good for. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Processing data is bad! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: It's all about the microsurfs (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Wintrolls in panic! (Jacques Guy)
Re: Linux is awesome! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future. (Terry
Porter)
Re: Processing data is bad! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What UNIX is good for. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What UNIX is good for. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: It's all about the microsurfs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awesome! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:01:39 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:15:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> However, they benefit from the result assuming they are
> capable of even exploiting a particular device due to
> their own inability or unwillingess to learn to.
huh?
Sounds like you are advocating a Mac here. Certainly NOT Linux....
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From: OSguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:08:42 -0500
Jeff Szarka wrote:
> On 23 Jun 2000 08:17:06 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry
> Porter) wrote:
>
> >>"hangup on install, scsi problem?"
> >Did you email them, and find out what they did ?
>
> I don't care what they did. Mandrake 7 would not install on my system
> unless I used the expert install mode. This data makes it clear... you
> must be an expert to install Linux.
So you're implying that because you can't install Linux....especially
when people are telling you what you can do to install Linux
correctly....that everyone compared to you are computer experts.
Interesting.
Sounds like 3rd Grade logic to me.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:05:00 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Because you are a geek.....
>
> And I can produce 100 secrateries that can produce fantastic
> presentations, embedded video/audio and so forth with Powerpoint while
> you are still figuring out how to get latex to work with the overhead
> projector.
A 150 wpm touch-typist forced to remove her hands from the keyboard
for the sake of moving a stupid mouse is reduced to 25 wpm.
True to your idiotic logic, this is somehow "better"
>
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:13:45 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:40:34 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >The last thing I want to do when editing is remove my fingers from the
> >> >keyboard.
> >>
> >> And exactly the reason why you will go the way of the dinosaur...
> >
> >Yet, I can edit faster with vi then you can with any GUI editor.
> >
> >
> >Why is that?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:06:41 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Quite possibly, but first you have to find one.
Purdue had hundreds on the clerical staff as early as 1988.
Imagine what it is now!
>
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:03:02 -0400, "Colin R. Day"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Because you are a geek.....
> >>
> >> And I can produce 100 secrateries that can produce fantastic
> >> presentations, embedded video/audio and so forth with Powerpoint while
> >> you are still figuring out how to get latex to work with the overhead
> >> projector.
> >
> >I suspect that a touch typist who knows TeX would produce TeX
> >documents in less time than Powerpoint presentations.
> >
> >Colin Day
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:06:27 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> My rantings are directed more at the "linux does everything, for
> everybody crowd" as opposed to folks who can really make use of it's
> power.
>
> This is one reason why I rarely try and directly dissuade a newbie
> from using Linux. I offer constructive advice when I can and in fact
> have recommended Mandrake to many a newbie in this group.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Simon
This is truely heart-touching.
She's married Simon.
Charlie
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:07:50 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It supported the modams that came with it preinstalled.
>
> What is a modam?
Too stupid to figure out a typo?
>
> Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's all about the microsurfs
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:07:02 GMT
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:23:17 -0400, Gary Hallock
>You are missing the big picture (why should that surprise me?). Linux provides
>a common environment for all of the major platforms. That makes it much nicer
>and more user friendly when customers have to move between platforms. I
>don't think you realize how many desktops run Unix of one form or another.
>Just ask Intel what they use (hint - it's not x86).
>
>Gary
Sure the development geeks are running *nix (actually they have an
SP/2 farm running AIX that is behind only a handful of other places
including the national weather service, DOD, Los Alamos, and Boeing
among others).
And ask their secrateries, purchasing department, shipping and
receiving, the elevator system, security system and so forth and they
are running Windows.
If you add them all up the Windows users will far outnumber the *nix
users, all told.
A quick tele in the AM will confirm this.
I know a couple of folks at Intel.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charlie Ebert the LinoShill
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:07:36 GMT
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:46:28 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> He's just a Microsoft Stock Holder. Just a Microsoft Stock Holder!
> >> That's all. Nothing to worry about.
> >
> >Ah that's your stock answer is it? Accuse anyone who challenges you to
> >produce facts and figures (when your posts are incredibly devoid of such
> >things) you accuse them of being Microsoft Stock Holders!
> >
> >Wow, talk about a smoke screen.
> >
> >C'mon Charlie, put up or shut up. Give us a magazine name! Give us a
> >link!
> You've had ******dozens****** and ignored them Goodwin, beat it Wintroll.
>
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
> **** To reach me, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] ****
> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux, and has been
> up 1 week 2 days 13 hours 53 minutes
> ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
OH! I'm sorry Pete!
Yes, I still recognize you as a Wintroll also!
Sorry if I've been ignoring you lately.
Charlie
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:09:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
void wrote:
>
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:08:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Linux IS trying to compete with Windows and is doing quite a poor job
> >of it. The rash of poorly thought out and inconsistent Windows
> >imitation gui's proves that point.
> >
> >Linux should have stayed a CLI operating system IMHO because it is
> >extremely powerful in that application and quite frankly Linux is
> >embarrassing itself by trying to graft a slow and obviously inferior
> >GUI on top of a stable system.
>
> The "Windows imitation gui's" that you speak of are indeed inferior.
> That's because there's more to Windows than its look.
Yes, there's also those advanced Auto-corrupt and Auto-destruct features
that only Genuine LoseDows products offer.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's all about the microsurfs
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:09:43 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:24:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:51:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:11:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:51:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>>The current HP Pavillion and Compaq Internet pc's advertised on TV
>>>>(you know the $899.00 model) have Winmodems and Win printers.
>>>
>>>
>>> The HP comes with a PCL3 printer. It's hard to say what
>>> exactly the thing that comes with those Compaq's is.
>>
>>The one I saw said it worked with Windows (I checked the model against
>
> ...they all say they work with Windows. The Hauppauge WinTV
> 401 even has "Win" in it's title but I am watching dragnet
> on it under Linux as I type this.
But when a printer or modem says works with NT or OS/2 or Mac, chances
are it will work with Linux.
>>the standalone printers for sale). I suspect it is a PCL printer that
>>requires a Win level of software. Other HP printers actually said
>>NT/Win2k and Mac on the box.
>
> You just failed to scratch beneath the very surface of the situation
> as usual...
The fact is buying one of these systems puts you in a 90 percent
bracket of NOT being able to run Linux.
>[deletia]
>>Suffice to say, take a stroll through CompUSA one evening and take a
>>gander for yourself. You will discover several things:
>>
>>1. It is difficult to determine what peripheral hardware is installed
>>as far as brand name.
>
> That must be great for people who care about things like
> network performance and 3D rendering benchmarks.
It's terrible, but that is the reality of it.
>>
>>2. You will spend time searching for the boxed versions of such
>>hardware in the store to determine exactly what it is you are buying.
>
> Unless you don't want to end up with a dud, you will do that
> either way. That's merely the result of bothering to attempt
> to make informed choices.
Most folks don't. They see HP or Compaq and go for the biggest
monitor/hard drive and fastest CPU for the buck.
>>
>>It is very confusing.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 22 Jun 2000 17:59:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>> It doesn't even matter because half the hardware in those machines
>>>>> won't run Linux anyway so Linux isn't even an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Half the hardware", eh simon?
>>>>>
>>>>>Tell me, which half would that be?
>>>>>
>>>>>And what, specifically?
>>>>>
>>>>>Shouldnt be too hard for a 42 year old who knows what a punchcard reader
>>>>>is, eh?
>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:10:42 GMT
Find a secretary that uses Tex or Latex...
Good luck....
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:53:58 -0400, "Colin R. Day"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Quite possibly, but first you have to find one.
>>
>
>Actually, I might still be able to do it faster. And how easily
>can one display math in Powerpoint?
>
>Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:12:30 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:19:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:56:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>In relation to Windows or a Mac but you already knew that didn't you.
>>Typical Linonut semantic games to diffuse the subject.
>
> Know he doesn't "know that". He knows better than that.
>
>>
>>Linux gui looks like shit when displaying say Corel Office. Real boxy
>>looking.
>>
>>Sure the themes look good but the applications look like shit.
>
> My Type 1 fonts work well enough. Corel Office is merely
> a Win32 app that's been shoehorned onto Linux. It's hardly
> a useful comparison.
Yea but it's the only name brand Office suite you guys have to compete
with MSOffice.
Applix? Most folks have never heard of it.
StarOffice? Bloat to the extreme....
>[deletia]
>>>> Linux gui looks like crap....
>>>
>>>Suppose I say that a Porsche looks like crap....
>>>
>>> What relevance is such a statement?
>>>
>>>
>>>Answer: NONE.
>
> IOW: my view is the only valid view. I am a Lemming and you
> will be assimilated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:13:39 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:19:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> So will krusier.
And when it does I will look at it. Until then, it is a pipe
dream.....
Hopefully it doesn't core dump all the time like Gnome does.
Man those little timebombs get annoying.....
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's all about the microsurfs
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:14:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Again who other than back room geeks care?
>
> I run Intel.
> Some may run Mac.
> Some S/390 (ESA/VM MVS/xa etc)
> Some AS/400.
>
> The vast majority of the users in the world are desktop users. They
> run one OS with the exception of possibly programmer geeks, a small,
> very small percentage of the population.
>
> So Linux is multiplatform, big deal. Compared to the number of desktop
> users out there you can lump all of the systems that Linux runs on
> together and it won't even make a dent in the total number of users,
> most of which are using Windows.
>
> How many 9672's did IBM sell last year. I know, do you?
>
> The local PC shop in town sold more desktops, all running Windows
> BTW...
>
{Insertia}
>I carry a key punch card.
>My name is Jack Webb.
>Hard words from a hard man.
>Now remember kiddies. Get a crew cut,
>and stay away from the Linux.
>This will make America brighter.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:20:13 -0700
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wintrolls in panic!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > BECAUSE LINSUX SUXX AND ALL LINSUX CAN DO IS SHUFFAL TEXT FIALS ALL
> DAY
> > > AND I CANT EVEN WORK OUT HOW TO USE THE CAPSLOCK KEY NEVER MIND
> > > SOMETHING AS USEFUL AS A COMMANDLINE
>
> This was a superb Palmer parody, horrendous spelling and all.
Ah, at last someone who can tell a leprechaun from a troll!
Bravo!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:17:24 GMT
So am I...
What are you talking about?
More BS from you without proof?
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:06:27 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> My rantings are directed more at the "linux does everything, for
>> everybody crowd" as opposed to folks who can really make use of it's
>> power.
>>
>> This is one reason why I rarely try and directly dissuade a newbie
>> from using Linux. I offer constructive advice when I can and in fact
>> have recommended Mandrake to many a newbie in this group.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Simon
>
>
>This is truely heart-touching.
>
>She's married Simon.
>
>Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 Jun 2000 10:18:11 +0800
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:26:46 GMT,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote on Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:23:39 GMT
><vUd45.128855$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>No, he is totally right.
>>0.3 % of user is Linux user.
>>
>>OS of user that go at www.microsoft.com
>>60% win98, win95
>>39% win2k, winNT
>>0.7% ( other platform)
>>0.3% Linux.
>>
>>As you can see, it's at the microsoft website, they get the result.
>
>Well, we now know where the .3% number came from; problem is, there's
>a slight bias, there. :-)
>
>I don't think "visitors of www.microsoft.com" is a representative
>sample of all Web browsing users -- not that all users browse
>the web, either.
*Good Point* I havent used *any* MS product since Aug97, and havent been to
www.microsoft.com, once in that time.
>
>[rest snipped]
>
>--
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:20:22 GMT
And your a fucking idiot...
It's the other way around........
The Curtains and trim around Linux (the themes) look real nice.
The applications ( the glass) looks like shit...
Don't believe me?
Ask Petreley of Infoworld about his Corel Office Suite review.
He said the same thing I did........ BTW he is a Linvocate of the
highest order.
www.infoworld.com should get you started...
What an idiot.....
You must be one hell of a fucking idiot.....
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:02:34 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> In relation to Windows or a Mac but you already knew that didn't you.
>> Typical Linonut semantic games to diffuse the subject.
>>
>> Linux gui looks like shit when displaying say Corel Office. Real boxy
>> looking.
>
>
>So, by your logic, you would choose a pane of glass with bubbles,
>stains, impurities, and other shit, as long as the curtains around
>it look nicer...
>
>Case closed
>
>you're a moron.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:22:07 GMT
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:05:00 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Because you are a geek.....
>>
>> And I can produce 100 secrateries that can produce fantastic
>> presentations, embedded video/audio and so forth with Powerpoint while
>> you are still figuring out how to get latex to work with the overhead
>> projector.
>
>A 150 wpm touch-typist forced to remove her hands from the keyboard
>for the sake of moving a stupid mouse is reduced to 25 wpm.
>
>True to your idiotic logic, this is somehow "better"
Find me 1000 secretaries using latex, verifiable and I will buy you
dinner and all the beer you can drink.
Hell I can't even find one.....
>
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:13:45 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:40:34 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >The last thing I want to do when editing is remove my fingers from the
>> >> >keyboard.
>> >>
>> >> And exactly the reason why you will go the way of the dinosaur...
>> >
>> >Yet, I can edit faster with vi then you can with any GUI editor.
>> >
>> >
>> >Why is that?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:22:43 GMT
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:06:41 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Quite possibly, but first you have to find one.
>
>Purdue had hundreds on the clerical staff as early as 1988.
>
>Imagine what it is now!
Running Latex????
Or Tex?
>
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:03:02 -0400, "Colin R. Day"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >> Because you are a geek.....
>> >>
>> >> And I can produce 100 secrateries that can produce fantastic
>> >> presentations, embedded video/audio and so forth with Powerpoint while
>> >> you are still figuring out how to get latex to work with the overhead
>> >> projector.
>> >
>> >I suspect that a touch typist who knows TeX would produce TeX
>> >documents in less time than Powerpoint presentations.
>> >
>> >Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's all about the microsurfs
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:24:31 GMT
You need a better newsreader Charlie. You are quoting what you are
saying before you say it...
Typical Lincrap....
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:14:16 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Again who other than back room geeks care?
>>
>> I run Intel.
>> Some may run Mac.
>> Some S/390 (ESA/VM MVS/xa etc)
>> Some AS/400.
>>
>> The vast majority of the users in the world are desktop users. They
>> run one OS with the exception of possibly programmer geeks, a small,
>> very small percentage of the population.
>>
>> So Linux is multiplatform, big deal. Compared to the number of desktop
>> users out there you can lump all of the systems that Linux runs on
>> together and it won't even make a dent in the total number of users,
>> most of which are using Windows.
>>
>> How many 9672's did IBM sell last year. I know, do you?
>>
>> The local PC shop in town sold more desktops, all running Windows
>> BTW...
>>
>
>{Insertia}
>>I carry a key punch card.
>
>>My name is Jack Webb.
>
>
>>Hard words from a hard man.
>
>>Now remember kiddies. Get a crew cut,
>>and stay away from the Linux.
>
>>This will make America brighter.
>
>Charlie
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:35:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> I'm 42yo?
>
> My daughter is 14.
>
> Back then hardware wasn't being replaced by the minute like today and
> while I wasn't working when it was built and designed, I saw quite a
> bit of it still around even into the early 1990's.
>
> A famous newspaper in NYC still uses a 3525 cardreader/punch to run
> it's payroll.
>
> You need to get into the real world Bernie :)
>
> The professors are brainwashing you.
>
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:06:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
Bernie,
This man is 42 years old.
He's too old for you.
Charlie
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:15:26 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The book may be available in a book store's clearence table. You can also
try you local public library. Some of those promises were made in the book,
those in the book and the others were mentioned in the seminar, in the
handouts, on a developer's CD which was also handed out by Microsoft. Most
of this was repeated in magazine interviews as well.
There was something else on that CD that I find a little ironic. While
Microsoft and the company's supporters are against open source, and free
software; the cd included the source of GNU's sed, slightly modified to
compile on NT. It was being offered as a translation and migration tool for
NT devlopers.
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8in69b$2gdu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8in4sr$ejk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Website documentation can be altered to creativly modify history remove
> >references to promises not delivered, but the hardcopy documentation is
as
> >good as being set in stone.
> >
> >A copy of the book "Inside Windows NT" published by Microsoft Press that
was
> >provided as a handout during a Microsoft Wndows devlopers seminar. The
> >seminar took place before the release of Windows NT.
>
> [...]
>
> >There were more promises such as: full support for unix programs written
to
> >the POSIX standards once recompiled for the NT platform. Full support
for
> >OS/2 programs in binary form on Intel processors and source code
> >recompilations on other processors. Future support for other API and
> >emulations when needed, including MacIntosh programs, NetWare NLM's, BSD,
> >Unix, Vax, VMS, and PDP's. (About the BSD unix, Vax and VMS, that is not
my
> >error, it comes from Microsoft.)
>
> Thanks. I'm sure I remember that claim as well, but I think it
> was made in a video that was shown at pre-introduction conferences.
> It may have been in a hardcopy handout but I most likely discarded
> it a long time ago. I wonder if it is still possible to find copies
> of that book? I was very interested in the support for unix
> programs at the time because NT would have been cheaper than the
> 386 sysV's that were available - but of course it turned out
> not to be true.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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