Linux-Advocacy Digest #282, Volume #26 Thu, 27 Apr 00 08:13:04 EDT
Contents:
linux as Netscape platform (Yeoh Yiu)
Re: YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY-LINUX IS CRAP-WIN2K RULEZ!!!!!!!!! (Martijn Bruns)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (Stephen Cornell)
Re: Linus Torvalds (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Rob S. Wolfram)
How much ...for linux system admin? ("Blue System")
Re: KDE is better than Gnome (David Faure)
Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat (Darren Winsper)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Darren Winsper)
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (Rasputin)
Re: Time for the MS-rats to desert (Ed Clarke)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IBM DUMPS REDHAT!!! WhY diD it TaKE them SO lung? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: which OS is best? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Linux RUINED my PC LINUX SUCKS!!!!!!! (Cybrinjn)
Re: IBM DUMPS REDHAT!!! WhY diD it TaKE them SO lung? (Cybrinjn)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Yeoh Yiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: linux as Netscape platform
Date: 27 Apr 2000 03:33:23 -0400
I'm thinking of setting up a web kiosk.
(user accounts/security is not an issue)
Is Netscape on linux as stable as Netscape on NT ?
And do the minor usability issues
alt-TAB between windows,
TAB to URL entry box
work reliably on Netscape Linux ?
My past experience with Linux was that the
networking (tcp/ip, http) was great, but
the user experience was poor because when switching between
an ssh window, and Xterm and Netscape, when switching to
Netscape, the keyboard would not be recognized
so eg I could not use the search box of the web page
I just downloaded.
squid.
------------------------------
From: Martijn Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY-LINUX IS CRAP-WIN2K RULEZ!!!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:29:50 +0200
Charles Philip Chan schreef:
>
> >>>>> "quietclam@freewwweb" == quietclam@freewwweb com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
>
> > IBM DUMPS STOCK....SURPRIZE..THEY NO HOW STINKY LINUX IS..LINUX
> > IS LIKE THE BUILD IT YOURSELF ARTIFICIAL HEART...YOU'LL BE DEAD
> > BEFORE IT IS BUILT.
>
> > WIN 2K IS GOING TO WALK ALL OVER STINK LINUX.
> <snip>
>
> LOL. This is really funny considering you are using Netscape 4.7
> [en] on
> Mandrake Linux to post this message. Your headers
> betrayed you.
>
> Charles
Yeah, he did. But i'd swear he did this using one of those
old CD-I players for it. His entire post is in capitals.
------------------------------
From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: 27 Apr 2000 09:33:20 +0100
Jim Holmlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You might try Presenter at www.iamaze.com.
I had a look. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this software for
creating web-based presentations? All very powerful, but not at all
what I'm looking for - I want to give seminars or talks at conferences
using my laptop and a projector. Presenter has to be viewed in a Web
browser, whereas I need each slide to be full-screen. Being HTML, it
will look different in different browsers or screen resolutions so I'd
need to bring my own hardware anyway - which rather defeats the point
of having a portable presentation format. Netscape is not as bloated
as Staroffice, but it's big enough to make my laptop pause every now
and then. And, most importantly (this is the point of the whole
thread - see the title) there is no facility for including postscript
figures, not to mention equations.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
------------------------------
From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:38:38 GMT
In article <BCLN4.22090$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Timothy Murphy would
say:
> >R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >>Microsoft collected a premium equivalent to 30% of the purchase
> >>price of the computer (today the Microsoft "bundle" is the most
> >>expensive component if the computer).
When computers were selling for $900, Microsoft was collecting
as much as $300 for the Windows/Office/Excel/Tools bundle. When
the prices dropped to $600, Microsoft was collecting $200 for
Windows/Works/Expedia/Money/Games package. In both cases, Microsoft
also collected revenue and/or other benifits worth about $100 per
machine for Internet, At one time, Compaq was paying $350 for
hardware. Microsoft was still collecting standard rates (about $200),
and computer wholesale prices had dropped to $500. Compaq was actually
losing money every time it sold a machine. Microsoft wasn't terribly
sympathetic since Jon Maddog Hall, Linux advocate and guru, was a
compaq employee and getting a great deal of publicity.
> >Is that true?
> >I haven't seen any computers offered for 30% less without Windows.
Actually, prior to the expiration of the 1st year Windows 98 license,
there were several magazines offering "bare bones" machines. These
were machines which contained everything BUT a hard drive. Since
there was no hard drive, there was no Microsoft software to install.
The price of these machines, along with a disk drive in a separate
box was nearly 1/3 less than the price of the same machine with
the software installed. Ironically, the companies knew that
these machines were being used as Linux machines and they were
actually making more profit than they did selling the assembled
machine with softare for 35% more.
> The fact that no discount is offered
> doesn't mean that the computer
> vendors aren't still paying around
> 30% of the purchase price to
> Microsoft...
Moore's Law states that Computer performance will double and/or
the prices of the hardware will drop by 50% every 18 months to
two years. Meanwhile, Microsoft collects the same prices in 1999
that it collected in 1987.
Microsoft knew all along that Open Source software would eventually
be adopted simply because, in all other sectors of the industry,
as the price of the hardware decreased, and the cost of proprietary
software increased, the only way to compete was to give up the
proprietary software. The OEMs knew this too. When Linux arrived,
and Novell purchased the rights to UNIX and started offering it
for $200/machine, Microsoft knew that it's days were numbered. They
managed to beat UNIX and Linux through a series of contracts designed
to "lock-out" competitors. They tried to maximize their profit
through bundling of applications and publishing service packs that
adversely impacted competitor applications.
Microsoft claims that they did this "in the interest of the consumer".
Yet UNIX customers thrived while Windows customers had to deal with
overruns, system failures, and promises of an operating system yet
to come after nearly 10 years since Gates first announced "a better
UNIX than UNIX". In a way, Gates kept his promise. By uniting
the UNIX professionals against Microsoft, Linux got support that
it might never have gotten had UNIX not been locked out, had
Microsoft not decided to try to make NT a server. Instead, Linux
became the very best of both UNIX and Windows. Linux isn't
quite as good as windows, because it doesn't have the same
third party support that Windows 9x currently enjoys. But it
combines the ease of use of Windows and the power and flexibility
of UNIX.
> --
> Have you heard of the new Macsyma processor? It has three
instructions --
> LOAD, STORE, and SKIP IF INTEGRABLE.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
>
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 1%/week!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000?
Date: 27 Apr 2000 08:45:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If there is a backdoor in W2K - show it to us, if not, shut up.
Well, I'm not sure if it also concerns W2K, but it does concern Windows:
http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0004.html#MicrosoftActiveSetup"Backdoor"
Sufficient?
Cheers,
Rob
--
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP 0x07606049 GPG 0xD61A655D
Unix *is* user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.
------------------------------
From: "Blue System" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How much ...for linux system admin?
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:14:51 GMT
Hi,
Recently I've been offered a short contract as a Linux system admin in the
Bay area. Since I don't live in that area I don't have any clue what's the
going pay rate for such a job. Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Please reply to this message or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
------------------------------
From: David Faure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: KDE is better than Gnome
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:23:58 +0100
JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:22:44 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> [deletia]
> >>
> >> The Gimp should have access to xdnd.
> >>
> >> Just because an application programmer has access to all the bells
> >> and whistles, it doesn't mean that the programmer will use them.
> >
> >Jedi, read what he wrote. He said Gimp HAS access to XDND, in fact,
>
> He also said that you can't drag from kfm to gimp. KFM is
> supposed to be conformant to the same standards as the rest
> of KDE is it not?
Don't mix up the KDEs.
KDE-1.x had a proprietary DnD protocol, whereas KDE-2.x uses the
standard XDND.
kfm is KDE-1.x (i.e. dead), konqueror is its replacement for KDE-2.x
(And for those who wonder, XDND has nothing to do with Xlib, it's much
more recent
than that).
> >he said Gimp USES XDND. I don't know if what he said is correct, not
> >using Gimp at all, but at least try to argue about what is there.
I don't know for sure if gimp uses XDND, but if it doesn't, it should
;-)
--
David Faure
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - KDE developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mandrake
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Cramer Systems
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat
Date: 27 Apr 2000 10:21:59 GMT
On 26 Apr 2000 15:26:33 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a public service announcement:
>
> Steve here actually doesnt know what hes talking about.
Actually, he probably does. It's just he seems to spend all his time
here bad-mouthing Linux and its community. It's ironic that while he
claims he has dropped all this 'zealot crap', he's just gone from being
a pro-Linux zealot to an anti-Linux zealot.
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano) - ICQ #8899775
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
DVD boycotts. Are you doing your bit?
This message was typed before a live studio audience.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: 27 Apr 2000 10:22:02 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:13:20 GMT, George Graves
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (so, ok, maybe IE is very good, but
> its not its quality that has given it the dominate position, and it
> SHOULD BE that and that alone which denotes "the winner").
The irony that IE would still have won the browser war of MS hadn't
pulled off that bundl^H^H^H^H^Hintegration crap is rather amusing.
That is, until Netscape pulled their fingers out and developed Mozilla.
Then again, with the current NS6 UI, I'd say they're practically giving
the rest of their marketshare to IE.
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano) - ICQ #8899775
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
DVD boycotts. Are you doing your bit?
This message was typed before a live studio audience.
------------------------------
From: Rasputin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:49:42 +0100
Scott Zielinski wrote:
>
> Gary Connors wrote:
> >
> > in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], laugh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on
> > 4/16/00 1:07 AM:
> >
> > > Robert,
<snip - unproven statistics>
> > If its a "NT replacement" is not on the desktop. In the real world, NT is
> > not a desktop OS.
> That's absolutly, completely, untrue. Ever hear of "NT Workstation?" If
> that isn't a desktop OS....
A 'desktop OS' boots in less than 5 minutes. A 'desktop OS' takes less
than 5 minutes to shut down. Nuff said.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Clarke)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: Time for the MS-rats to desert
Date: 27 Apr 2000 11:44:47 GMT
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH LINUX. Go Away!
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:47:18 GMT
"Tim Cain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> So the actual steps are
>>
>> >> write a (La)TeX file containing the text and structure.
>> >> produce EPS graphics using xfig/gnuplot/another package.
>> >> run "(la)tex" on the (La)TeX file.
>> >> preview with xdvi
>> >> send dvi file to the printer.
>Stop! Where are you going with those damn goalposts!
>Damn, you're so far away I can't hardly even *see*
>you any more!
Huh? Get glasses!
>The original post, just in case you've gone blind,
>was about producing documents with embedded eps
>graphics...
Tim, you were expressing disbelief about the "count them" seven steps
of LaTeX document creation --- where the seven steps included the
typing of the text, the *creation* of the diagrams, and so on.
Now, if "count them" seven steps (of which only 5 are really required,
anyway) is something only a linux geek could handle, then surely the
mighty Windows User can do all this in less steps....
Bernie
--
If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research,
would it?
Albert Einstein
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM DUMPS REDHAT!!! WhY diD it TaKE them SO lung?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:47:20 GMT
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>DON'T USE LINUS OR YOU WILL BE
>YUO HAVE BEEN WARMED..
Hey, this would have been much more convincing if it was posted by
one Tove Torvalds ;-)
Bernie
--
Among my most prized possessions are the words that I have never
spoken.
Orson Rega Card
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: 27 Apr 2000 11:57:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But well, imho a computer is not usable at all if it crashes without
> hardwre-failure, no matter how colored or whatever the gui is
Having seen several machines crash because of bad hardware (once from
bad memory chips, and once from what we ended up suspecting was a
dodgy motherboard but we're not sure - we just replaced all the
hardware inside the case out of frustration) I'd say that computers in
that situation pretty much *define* unusable.
Reboot... *crunch* Reboot... *corrupt* Reinstall... *hard crunch*
Time to use that manufacturer's warranty.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cybrinjn)
Subject: Re: Linux RUINED my PC LINUX SUCKS!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:02:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe we oughtta read the headers of 'trolls' before replying.
This guy is using Linux. See headers below. You been had.
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:40:29 -0500, Streamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>
><nothing at all>
>
>Hi S,
>
>Did you finally get back on the net after being terminated on your ISP?
>
>
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 27 07:57:48 2000
Path: rQdQ!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!nntp.primenet.com!...
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Linux RUINED my PC LINUX SUCKS!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:41:08 -0400
Organization: ocean
Lines: 15
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@*@ppp-253.tnt-1.chi.smartworld.net
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-253.tnt-1.chi.smartworld.net
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
X-Accept-Language: en
Xref: rQdQ comp.os.linux.advocacy:374782
Freaking pile of shit Linux ruined my system. Damm Redhat erased 2
partitions and I lost all my data...
DON'T USE LINUX IT WILL KILL YOUR PC
LINUX SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
BY MSFT
AT LEAST THEIR SOFTWARE WORKS...
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cybrinjn)
Subject: Re: IBM DUMPS REDHAT!!! WhY diD it TaKE them SO lung?
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:15:45 -0500, John Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hey everyone out there - would you base your OS choce on this childish
>>post??
>
>But I'm skeerd unkle bobby ray cyrus anna bell jenkins(a.k.a. three
>tooth willy). Linix is gonnna eats mys computers; JETHRO told me it was
>so. I's a fixin to gets rid of dis "STINK LINUX."
>
>jt
>
>I know you aren't suppose to tease the trolls but this guy is
>hillarious.
>
Umm... Have any of you guys checked this guy's headers? He is
posting from a Linux machine. He has been posting to this
group from various accounts. You been had. Freewwweb is a
linux friendly free ISP.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.advocacy) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
