Linux-Advocacy Digest #282, Volume #31 Fri, 5 Jan 01 22:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RPM Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Gary Hallock)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Uptimes (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windows 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:55:24 GMT
In article <935ruv$62h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
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> Thats a scientology term. Suddenly everything falls into place.....
Yup. It's another Steve/Claire/whatever troll, no doubt about it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RPM Hell
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:01:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> I've put kde 2 on several boxes, simply downloaded the
> rpms - all the rpms including qt - from ftp.kde.org, and
> simply did an an rpm -Uvvh - no problems noted.
Another Steve/Claire/whatever troll. The pseudonyms are too numerous to
list anymore. What you're responding to didn't actually occur to the
original poster; he/she just surfs for problems in other newsgroups and
then adds a great deal of elaboration and posts here for the pleasure of
seeing the responses.
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:30:26 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
>
> Pretty idiotic way to write an editor, to be used for programming, isn't it.
>
Not when most programs were written in languages that required fixed 80 byte
records. You have to consider the timeframe. You act as if C/C++ has been
around forever.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:37:12 GMT
On 6 Jan 2001 01:50:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Let's start with the Mandrake install process, which seems to have a
>> mind of it's own. Feed it an "expert" parameter, which is supposed to
>> prevent hardware detection, and it still tries to detect hardware.
>
>Wow, windows doesnt even give you THAT option.
That's because you don't need it. But, if you insist you can still use
the boot disks later on to pretty much do what you wish.
>> It never prompts me to make a boot/rescue disk
>
>It does for me, every time. You are either lying or doing something
>wrong.
Never does on my system or the laptop I also installed it on. It just
goes right on by.
>> and insists on mis
>> configuring my Logitech wheel mouse.
>
>Both of my logitech wheel mice (usb and serial) work just fine.
It is YOU that is lying. Take a look at the Mandrake group. That is
where I found out how to set my Logitech wheel mouse to Microsoft to
make it work. Others have exactly the same problem as I did.
Are we all wrong?
>> In addition it thinks my Matrox
>> G200 card has 4 meg, unless I select the SD version and then it asks
>> me how much memory the card has, which is 8 meg.
>
>Thats not linux, thats XFree86. You would have that problem under any
>unix implementation which included XFree86.
It's Linux....Stop playing semantics because to Joe Sixpack it is
Linux. The entire enchilada for better or worse.
>> God help you if you choose not to set up your internet connection when
>> you are prompted because ppp doesn't get installed (modem connection).
>
>You can do that later, and its very easy.
If you realize you need to. The message you get when you try to
configure dial up later on is very cryptic and does not even suggest
installing ppp.
>> Even worse, if you decide to set up Networking during the install,
>> internet connection sharing will never work unless you can figure out
>> how to undo the mess of DNS and host name crap that gets scattered
>> about.
>
>Yes, all scattered about in both /etc and the documentation. It takes
>less than a minute to set it all up.
Not if you set up network first and then try to set up ics..
You're FOS as usual.
>> The solution is to answer yes to internet connection via modem
>> and no to networking and set up ICS later. It works fine that way.
>
>It works fine if you do it the right way too.
What if I don't need ICS now? But need it later? Doing it later screws
up all of my network settings.
Garbage.l
>> Also, make sure you don't hit enter after you are prompted to install
>> the second or third CDROM because even though the cancel box is NOT
>> highlighted, that is what will happen and those programs will NOT get
>> installed. Solution is to use the mouse and click OK.
>
>Huh, both my CDRW and CDROM worked just fine right out of the install.
Learn to read please....... The CDROM (the CD disk itself if you will)
will not be used if you hit enter to continue. You must use the mouse
to select continue or it will not load any programs from that CD.
>> Also Install everything is NOT the same as Custom->install everything
>> option. With the custom->install everything you get more Enlightenment
>> programs along with VMWare and other stuff. With the Install
>> everything option from the main menu you don't get everything.
>
>Under expert, you can pick and choose exactly which packages you would
>like to install.
Everything does not equal everything.......It depends on which
everything you choose..Inconsistant Linux garbage.
>> So now let us proceed to post install. First off we must change the
>> fonts from 75dpi to 100dpi in the /etc/X11/fs/config file.
>
>The horror.
On your eyes yes....
I suggest the "Font De-Uglification How-To" but then again the
Penguinista's claim there "IS" no problem with fonts....Strange since
they actually have a How-To to attempt to fix them....
So which one is it?
Inconsistent Linux garbage again...
>> Why on
>> earth they default to 75dpi is beyond me because even on a 21 inch
>> Sony monitor it looks like shit.
>
>Not everyone is using the same hardware as you.
I know...Most don't have it as good as I do......Try looking at 75dpi
on the typical 15 inch or 17 inch monitor and see how it looks...
>> Now we must change the default mouse to Microsoft intellimouse even
>> though it is a Logitech mouse.
>
>I didnt have to do that, and my logitech mouse works just fine.
Bullshit...
>> Warning, if you choose Logitech your
>> mouse will NEVER work in Linux again and there is no way out of it
>> unless you happen to be good at console commands and editing config
>> files.
>
>This is an outright lie.
Mandrake group...Look in deja....
>> Also I had to change the refresh rate and other display
>> settings including fonts.
>
>Oh my god, you had to change your refresh rate? Interesting that no
>where in your post do you note that all windows installs default to
>a MAXIMUM of 800x600x60hz. You have to change that too.
One click of the mouse...
>> Speaking of fonts, Mandrake includes a nifty tool to find all of your
>> Windows fonts and and make them available to Linux. It finds them all
>> right but they don't appear as selections in any programs including
>> DrakFont if you launch it a second time after adding them.
>
>It depends on the program, but you can get them to be anywhere you like
>if you read the documentation.
Wrong....It doesn't work, and you know something I AM SICK AND FUCKING
TIRED OF READING SHIT JUST TO PERFORM SIMPLE TASK UNDER LINUX!!
You know how many times I have read something to use Windows 2k?
Once!!! Because I didn't know that the share with the $ after it was a
system default and really wasn't a share, meaning I had to create
another one. The help system solved the problem in 2 seconds.
>Apparantly youve never read the documentation.
Oh yes I have, and it is mostly useless. Taken a look at kde doc
lately? How many "Not yet written" pages do you find?
>"Calculus sucks because I dont understand it!"
>"Well, did you do your homework and read the chapter?"
>"Uhhmmm....no."
I have a BSEE.... Calculus was my thing although numerical analysis
was quite difficult for me.
>> On to Enlightenment which seems unable to even save the settings of an
>> Eterm.
>
>Thats not an enlightenment thing. Read the documentation.
When it says "Save current settings" under the E-term menue and it
doesn't work it ISN'T an Enlightenment thing? What is it a kde thing?
Give me a FUCKING BREAK already...
You are so full of shit it is pathetic....
>> Change the font, save current settings close, relaunch and it
>> goes back to default every time. This is with root or user access and
>> does not matter.
>
>Read the documentation. To wit:
Save current settings sounds easy enough to me...
So what's the solution Einstein?
>Eterm -bg black -fg white +sb -s 10000 -F sabvga &
So why is there a menue selection Einstein?
>You can alias that if you want. Hell, you can make a cute button for
>your desktop out of it too if you like. Read the documentation.
Idiot....
>> How about the Wheel mouse which sometimes works and other times
>> doesn't?
>
>Mine always work. I have a serial wheelmouse, a logitech usb wheelmouse,
>and a razer boomslang usb wheelmouse, all of which work perfectly, and
>all at the same time.
Mandrake group...Deja...do a search and educate yourself...
>> Usually opening and closing Netscape or whatever the
>> offending application happens to be at the moment, makes it work again
>> until the next time it doesn't work again. Why can't XMMS remember
>> it's settings like song directories?
>
>It does. Read the documentation.
No it doesn't....
More useless reading...
>> Why does the Enlightenment menu
>> sometimes appear and other times doesn't?
>
>Read the documentation.
Is that all you know how to say idiot?
>> How about the icon box that
>> comes and goes when it pleases?
>
>That icon box has been broken for a number of years. Use another window
>manager. Windowmaker is lovely.
They all SUCK...Just Like LINSUX...Why has it been broken for years?
Maybe because they are spending too much time writing compilers or
editors or other useless tools that nobody but a geek would use. That
is exactly why Linux will fall on it's face...It sucks....
>> Applications that completely disappear
>> from the desktop but are yet still running (alt/middle mouse button
>> shows them)?
>
>Thats an enlightenment feature. Read the documentation.
A feature? They are not on another virtual desktop they are simply
gone...Real shitty feature if you ask me, and inconsistent as well.
How does one predict when these applications will disappear?
>> How about no sound out of the digital port on the SBLive card?
>
>The driver doesnt support it. Look for an update in the coming weeks.
I've been waiting YEARS for a DECENT SBLIVE LINUX DRIVER...YEARS!!!!
>> GMC that refuses to allow saving of some files, despite running SU as
>> root?
>
>You dont understand unix filesystems or permissions.
Yes I do.....They are exactly the same as AIX. Linux, or at least GMC
and Mandrake are broke. Same thing works fine under SuSE 7.x.
>> Netscape that out of the blue decides that it needs all 512meg of RAM
>> that my system has?
>
>Netscape is a piece of shit. Use opera.
Opera sucks even under WIndows...
>> How do you set up Dial on Demand using kppp (the default dialup
>> included with Mandrake)?
>
>Its in the documentation. Read it.
No it is not...Show me where it explains how to set up kppp to dial on
deman...I'm waiting...show me.....
>> Let's move on to Wine shall we?
>> After trying pan to read news offline (like 99 percent of the Windows
>> world does) and having it self destruct on me over and over again, I
>> decided to try wine running Agent.
>
>Huh. Works for me.
Mandrake user group...deja....search on pan
>> What a mess, because I run Win2k.
>> Someone needs to re-write that disaster of a man page (and while they
>> are at it they should re-write ALL of the man pages).
>
>They are fine. You simply dont understand them. Dont blame your own
>ignorance and lack of experience on man pages.
They are a mess....
>And besides that, theres an assload of wine documentation on the web.
>Look it up.
I would if my internet connection would stay up for more than an
hour..Works fine under Win2k though....
>> Didn't matter because although Agent would start, as soon as I tried
>> to go online it would segfault. Most likely had something to do with
>> Win2k though because I have had Wine/Agent working with Win98 in the
>> past fine.
>
>You didnt read the documentation. Wine does not work with W2K binaries.
Wine sucks...Musicmatch Jukebox for Linsux (a 13 meg behemoth) takes
30 seconds to load and is slow as shit. Wordperfect for Linux is a
wine port and sucks as well.
>> It's difficult to believe that there are no good offline news readers
>> for Linux. Leaf node is an abortion in comparison to running Agent and
>> the only advantage is if several users are reading news and using the
>> same dialup.
>
>There are tons. www.freshmeat.net.
Offline????
Name one that doesn't require a spooling program like Leafnode..Go
ahead name one....
I'll save you the time.. Pan and Knews, both of which suck....
>> Why doesn't Knode remember it's settings like Window size?
>
>It doesnt need to.
Programs under WIndows do...
>> Why is adding to or editing Menues in Enlightenment such a pita? Shit
>> I just drag and drop from menues in Windows. Seems pretty simple to
>> me?
>
>Enlightenment is not a windowing environment, it is a window manager.
Stop playing semantics.. I want to add a selection to a menu why do I
have to go 5 directories deep and edit some text file like i used to
do in the 1970's... Linux sux....
>> How about PM firewall? Well this one is a real gem if ever there was
>> one. Simple to set up and it works very well. It should have prompts
>> for possible selections though as it took me a while to figure out
>> that my external interface was ppp0 and I doubt Joe Sixpack will ever
>> figure it out.
>
>Joe sixpack doesnt need a firewall for linux. There are other, much
>easier ways to secure a box.
Name one......
>> Why does Mandrake insist on changing my mouse settings every time it
>> boots up? I had to turn off hardware detection for that one.
>
>It doesnt do that for me. You did something wrong.
Mandrake group.....
>> Why doesn't my mouse "hover scroll" meaning if I have a split window
>> in an application if I move the mouse over each window I just have to
>> move the wheel to scroll. I do not have to click in each window. No
>> focus setting under Linux that I tried allowed this to work.
>
>Thats a windows thing.
A very convenient one at that..Linux makes a wheel mouse almost
useless although it will most likely support a printer from 1975 or
so.
>> How come I can't use a printer that is on my network and connected to
>> a machine running Windows 2k?
>
>You arent running samba. Read the documentation.
Sure am and it still doesn't work and the doc for Samba is a
convoluted mess that is mostly outdated.
>> Under Windows 2k on the same machine that is running Linux, I just
>> select "Add Network Printer/browse and it finds the printer, add's the
>> printer and I am done.
>
>Neat. A different operating system.
One that works. Unlike Linsux...
>> I screwed with Samba till I was sick of dancing and could not make it
>> work.
>
>Then you're an idiot. Its not that difficult, and you doubtlessly
>didnt read the documentation.
Along with all of the others on the net that can't get it to work. How
come there are so many sites devoted to making it work? I don't see
sites like that for Windows......
>> Why is there so much way outdated documentation for Linux out there?
>> Even Mandrakeuser.org has stuff that will render your system useless
>> if you follow th instructions with more modern versions?
>
>You arent looking in the right place. Its easy to find, however you
>do need a brain.
The net is full of outdated Lino-trash...How does one separate the
garbage from the treasure?
>> Why is the Mandrake.com site just about useless?
>
>Its quite useful to me.
Figures....
>> How come the upgrade CD I received turned kde into a vegetable? I had
>> to reload the entire thing.
>
>I didnt. You did it wrong, and didnt read the documentation.
How can you possibly do it wrong? Slap the CD in and select Live
update just like the instructions that came with it said.
You are FOS as usual and sinking fast....
>> How come if I try to install Enlightenment after the fact it fails
>> dependencies even though they are on my system?
>
>ldconfig.
Why doesn't RPMDrake install them like it says it will do?
inconsistent Linux garbage again...
>> I could go on for hours with all of the inconsistencies of Linux but
>> now let's take a Windows 2k install and see how a quality,
>> professional system should be installed.
>
>You simply do not, and do not WANT to understand linux. Either that
>or you are retarded.
Understand what? An operating system? I want to run applications and
with Linux I have to spend far more time trying to make even the most
primitive feature work. Windows 2k works right out of the box and has
all of the high quality applications available as well.
Linux is simply a crude, hacked together piece of garbage that is
trying it's best to be an operating system that the average desktop
user can use productively and it is failing miserably.
Leave Linux to the geeks in the server rooms...
>> g:\setup.exe and away it goes.
>> All hardware including my scanner and USB camera is detected.
>> I didn't even have to install the scanner/camera programs because the
>> default program installed with WIn2k worked fine but I did install
>> PhotoShop which came with the scanner. Tell me about Gimpy again?
>> After install, I did have to add Netbui protocol because for some
>> strange reason my Linksys cards don't work without it?
>> Click on create dial up.
>> Click on share connection and allow demand dial.
>> Install firewall (setup.exe again).
>> Click on add a printer->network printer->browse and select the printer
>> on the other system. Couldn't be any easier. Try that one under
>> Linsux.
>
>It took me all of 30 minutes to install Mandrake 7.2 on my system, and
>everything worked perfectly right out of the box.
>
>> That's it and everything works fine and I can enjoy my APPLICATIONS
>> instead of screwing around with an operating system. Did I mention how
>> many quality applications there are for Windows? The Linux
>> applications seem like they are half done by comparison. Really they
>> do. Compare that X-Traceroute program with NeoTrace. Or Gaim with the
>> real AIM. It's not even close. Speaking of Gaim, how come it doesn't
>> recognize my friends coming online real time, but requires me to log
>> off and on again to reset it? Doesn't happen all the time, but enough
>> to be annoying.
>
>You do not even understand what traceroute actually does, do you.
>
>> Nope, Linux is a crude, nasty system that is full of warts and is in
>> need of some real polish before it is ready for mainstream use.
>
>Perhaps, but why does it need to be ready for mainstream use? Its
>just fine right now.
>
>> Maybe Microsoft will buy Linux and make it worth using someday?
>
>Ah. You ARE retarded.
>
>
>
>
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:40:10 GMT
Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 5 Jan 2001
[...]
>> >What are you talking about? "notoriously" latching at 100% CPU at bootup?
>> >I've never seen this, ever.
>>
>> You've never looked. Are you a 'corporate officer', or are you a system
>> administrator? Anyone working with NT boxes generally recognizes the
>> behavior. But we all know how lucky you get with Microsoft products....
>
>First of all, how would you know if it was "latched" at 100% CPU during the
>reboot? There would be no way to tell.
That's my description of what happens. You are correct; there is no way
to tell what caused it, or what happened. All I know is that there is
always a given percentage of NT boxes which routinely or occasionally
stop functioning, with the tell-tale sign of the CPU being at 100%
utilization. It happens so often, and in so many instances, I've
learned by visiting dozens of different shops, that I needed a term for
it. I call it 'latching'; everybody recognizes what I mean, though you
are right, it is technically accurate.
>Second of all, I'm a programming consultant, that also does administration
>in some situations and am a corporate officer for 2 startup companies (CTO
>to be specific).
You're a Microsoft sock-puppet, from what I hear.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:44:14 GMT
Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 5 Jan 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 5 Jan 2001
>> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > There are file format converters available so that early versions of
>> >Office
>> >> > programs can open files from later versions. And, funnily enough,
>> >they're
>> >> > available free of charge from Microsoft's web site.
>> >>
>> >> Note that Microsoft did not offer these until AFTER forcing
>> >> all competing WYSIWYG editors out of the market.
>> >
>> >What are you talking about? When Office 97 was released (in 1996) it
>> >included the filter so that Word 95 could read Office 97 documents on the CD
>> >(as well as a free download).
>>
>> Well, he's talking about the fact that it wasn't until months later
>> (ostensibly, long enough that 'network effect' caused the mass migration
>> to the new version Microsoft was trying to force) that they released the
>> filter so that Word 97 could *write* Word 95 documents. Whether the
>> Word *95* filter was on the Word *97* CD is just a bit of arm-waving,
>> I'm afraid.
>
>it was also a free download.
Yes, at least six months after the release of Word97, and only after
loud and growing media exposure, and with a hastily contrived and
entirely dubious excuse why it wasn't done intentionally as an
anti-competitive behavior.
>Word97 could write documents readable by Word95 when it was released, it's
>just that these files were actually in rtf format rather than Word95 format,
>which made them much larger than they had to be. A service pack added the
>ability to write to real word format.
You could not save Word97 documents as Word95 documents. Your inability
to recognize this as an intentional attempt to force the migration is
widely known, and relatively silly.
>> >> If a document does not contain any new (6.0 only) constructs, please
>> >> give a rational, user-oriented reason why Word 5.0 can't read a Word 6.0
>> >> document.
>> >
>> >Word 6 was windows based, Word 5 was text based. They include vastly
>> >different formatting information.
>>
>> Why? Because Word 6 used a GUI? That's poppycock.
>
>Yes. The formatting for a GUI document is entirely different from the
>formatting of a DOS one. Fonts alone are different. They store different
>properties and different values. It's different information.
This is the kind of thing that stumps me about you, Erik. You
occasionally seem to have this huge fount of extremely technical and
detailed information readily available to you on outrageously esoteric
parts of Windows and Office and such, but you're obviously so brain-dead
ignorant that you don't even recognize how embarrassingly incorrect your
statement is; whether a wordprocessor is text-based or uses a GUI has no
bearing whatsoever, in the slightest, on what information needs to be
stored, or how it is arranged, in an application file.
Recently you "let slip" that you were a corporate officer in several
un-named startups. I feel like I'm playing "What's My Line?", and I'm
willing to give a guess that Erik is, indeed, a professional Microsoft
sock puppet. Depending on who's moving his mouth, he's either a
technology wiz with an obscene amount of knowledge of every piece of
code Microsoft has written, or he's a clueless executroid reading press
releases.
>> Besides, he's
>> obviously talking about the "new numbering", and is unaware that there
>> was no Word for Windows 5.0; it skipped from 2.0 to 6.0, in order to
>> match WordPerfect's version numbering. They then abandoned that, and
>> went to the Office numbering, with 97, 98, and 2000.
>
>They skipped to 6 because Excel was at version 5 before, that's why Access
>also went to 6. They wanted common numberings for all apps in the suite.
Yea, sure. That's what they told you the reason was, at the meeting,
right Erik? Was the numbering for Power Point changed, too, or didn't
you think to ask?
>> >> The only reasons could be
>> >>
>> >> 1) Microsoft puts damn little thinking into designing extensible
>> >> formats so that new formatting constructs can be added
>> >> without breaking the previous file format
>> >
>> >The format was based on the original Word format of about 15 years ago.
>>
>> I though you said it was a matter of "vastly different formatting
>> information"? Which is it?
>
>It is, Word 6 couldn't understand the new information in Word 97 and would
>probably store the wrong data in the wrong fields, since it's a binary
>structure that's written to disk.
Its things like that "since" that make me question your sanity. Is it
field data, or a binary structure? What on earth are you trying to say;
that Microsoft's programmers didn't give even the least thought to using
the existing document format, but radically and opaquely changed
everything, just because there was some "new information"?
>This is the same format used originally
>by Word, it's just that the structure changes when new data is added. Yes,
>it's not extensible, but it is legacy.
No, structures don't change when new data is added. Didn't anybody ever
teach you anything? I don't have this imaginary picture you have about
what the "structure" and the "data" are, in your example, but perhaps
its because I'm too familiar with actual file formats, and not their
hypothetical representations. What you mean to say is that they changed
the format, so the older program couldn't read it. We know that. We
also know that some of those changes may have been necessary, for
whatever reasons. We also know, which you wish to deny, that many, if
not most, indeed possibly all, of those reasons are false, used as
justification for forcing consumers to upgrade to a new version. Unless
you are going to get right to the task at hand, and tell us more
precisely what changes were *necessary*, specifically, and why, then
we'll assume your making this up to support the self-serving
justifications of the monopolist.
[...]
>> To ensure that people had a unidirectional method of infecting their
>> implementations with the new version, of course. I should think that
>> would be obvious, given the only filters they left conspicuously off of
>> the CD, and you left out of your thereby empty posturing, was the one
>> which would allow either the rejection of the new version or the
>> coexistence of both. They didn't have to leave them all out, and in
>> fact it wouldn't have suited their illegal monopolistic purposes if they
>> had.
>
>You're not making sense. What did they leave out? The new filter did allow
>the coexistance of both.
I told you quite clearly what they left out; why did you ignore it?
They left out the ability for Word97 to save files in Word95 format.
Now, you're hoping to again repeat, I'd guess, as if you hadn't already
done so, that Word97 could save in RTF format, which Word95 could read.
But you haven't pointed out why, then, Word97 did not have the ability
to save a file in Word95 format, which was obviously and clearly
something that Word95 and Word97 users expected to have?
>> >> Given the fact that Microsoft has been in the habit of providing
>> >> "free upgrades" for corporate officer's machines (ONLY!), making
>> >> All documents coming from "the bosses" unreadable until the entire
>> >> company also upgrades....
>> >>
>> >> .....which reason do *YOU* think it is?
>> >
>> >This is a fact? Please point me to where I can get free updates (i'm a
>> >corproate officer of 2 different startups).
>>
>> Sorry; they don't do it for small-fry startups. Even ones with flaming
>> Microsoft apologists as corporate officers.
>
>So in other words, you made it up.
No, somebody else said it; I didn't even repeat it. They may have made
it up, they may have made a mistake, they may be correct, I don't know,
but I would suspect any could be true. I was just using it as an
opportunity to mock you, because you deserve it.
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