Linux-Advocacy Digest #218, Volume #27 Tue, 20 Jun 00 22:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is awesome! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server (mlw)
Re: It's all about the microsurfs ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: The MEDIA this year! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Microsoft OS, no full OS CD Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics ("BR")
Re: The MEDIA this year! (Salvador Peralta)
Re: I had a reality check today :( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I had a reality check today :( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The MEDIA this year! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I had a reality check today :( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do .......
(Terry Porter)
Re: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: How many times, installation != usability. (mlw)
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:43:23 GMT
Simon777 reminds me of Al Bundy.
He keeps trying but he's never been a sucessful shoe salesman.
Well, what crap will he come up with next I wonder.
Charlie
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > If that's the best reply you can muster, you are a moron...
> >
> > You are an ostrich hiding in the sand and refusing to face the
> > reality.
> >
>
> Evidently, Simon is unaware of Judge Jackson's ruling.
> And the fact that Microsoft's testimony was frought with so many
> lies that, even M$'s courtroom supporters were appalled at the
> level of perjury.
>
> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:36:18 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Edited to correct false innuendo and implication of terms.
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Daughter graduating middle school this week and going into high school
> > >> and I thought a nice desktop computer system would make a worthwhile
> > >> graduation present.
> > >>
> > >> I have ALWAYS built every single one of my systems in the past all the
> > >> way from DTK motherboard based PC clones up to the Abit based system I
> > >> have now. Never, ever,ever, bought a pre-load.
> > >>
> > >> This time, possibly due to laziness or just a wearing down by all of
> > >> the glossy advertisements in the Sunday NY Times, I decided to go out
> > >> and look at all of these "ready made" systems that the typical Joe 18
> > >> pack will buy.
> > >>
> > >> BTW my daughter wants an iMac. Anybody know anything about them?
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I went to CompUSA, Staples, Electronic City and several local
> > >> places, the kind of places I would avoid like the plague on my quest
> > >> and here is what I found.
> > >>
> > >> 1. LOSE Hardware is EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!
> > >> Motherboards have built in modems, Ethernet, SoundChips, video
> > >> and so forth. Much of this is LOSE hardware.
> > >>
> > >> 2. The included printer is usually some POS LOSE printer. Same for
> > >> scanner and USB devices are sometimes included as well.
> > >>
> > >> 3. The operating system is always LOSE 98SE and no credit is given for
> > >> not getting it.
> > >>
> > >> 4. Internet bundles (you are hostage to Compu$erve for 3 years) are
> > >> typically used to lower price.
> > >>
> > >> 5. You get a bunch of low priced software and nothing of real
> > >> substance. The exception was MS Works which is pretty decent.
> > >>
> > >> The iMac is starting to look better all the time :)
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, my point is that this is the typical way that a user buys a
> > >> computer. They are not like you and me who build our own, they walk
> > >> into a chain store and buy what seems, to them, to be the best value.
> > >>
> > >> My question is, how is Linux going to realistically overcome this?
> > >
> > >Destruction of "per CPU" licensing schemes is the first step.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Looking at the specs for Compaq, HP, Sony VIAO and others, absolutely
> > >> NONE of these would run Linux and support all the I/O devices the
> > >> person paid for.
> > >>
> > >> This IS the computer hardware market, like it or not. And I for one
> > >> DON't like it.
> > >>
> > >> Comments?
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
> C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
> D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
> E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
> F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
> G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:44:06 GMT
Oh I think I have dropped enough hints to prove I know what I am
talking about. At least for you anyway.......
one last hint, just for you......
PBC360
........
you should be able to figure it out now.....
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:32:28 -0400, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> But I wasn't addressing you, your credentials speak for themself :)
>>
>
>Yes, they do. And you can verify my credentials. The same can not be said of
>you.
>
>Gary
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:43:32 -0400
Daniel Tryba wrote:
>
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Advandage of TS:
>
> -It's faster on slower networks.
I'm not sure I agree with the assessment. I can't argue with your
perception, obviously, but I think the data exchange requirements are
higher with TS than with X.
> -It has some default encryption.
This really isn't an issue if you ssh. (As anyone should if security
minded)
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's all about the microsurfs
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:41:14 -0500
Charlie Root wrote:
> You know, if the supreme court turns Microsoft down, they'd better be sure
> to release the opinion AFTER 5:00 p.m. Not because of the stock market or
> anything stupid.. but because massive numbers of computer geeks would
> likely set fire to their systems and party like there was no tomorrow out in
> the streets. You thought the Lakers rioting was bad.. wait until you see
> 8000 angry penguins in time square! :D
> --
> original by Colin Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Funny, I just read that word-for-word in a Slashdot post.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The MEDIA this year!
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:46:54 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> You're an idiot who can't back up his sources.
>
> So where are your sources?
>
> You come into this group and make all kinds of wild ass claims but
> never back them up.
>
> Where is the proof?
>
> simon
This can't be, but it shure looks like,,,,
Simon! Have you ever worked in Artifical Intelligence???
Are you the III one in your family with the same name?
Have you ever heard of Hot Mail????
Charlie
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From: "BR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft OS, no full OS CD Re: More Dirty Microsoft Tactics
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:45:20 -0500
Well, how "warez"-proof is MS'es scheme? When I mentioned the latest from
MS he pointed out that it could be gotten around. Also don't forget all
the copies of MS products still in the proverbial pipeline. They may not
feel the pain for quite a while.
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The MEDIA this year!
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:54:07 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> Oh crap! Pick up any computer magazine at your local office they have.
> I want other people to post to this and give him your side of it.
>
> Charlie
I would, but everytime that I post some factual data which sheds some
light on the fact that linux is the fastest growing os in the server
market, WinTrolls like simon777 start scurrying under the floorboards.
*sigh* Here's some links...
Here's one that gives a figure for how many IT managers planned to
replace existing systems with linux:
http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?ux=&quar=99Q2&99245030.htm=on
Here's one which says how many it managers intend to put linux on the
desktop in the next 12 months:
http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?ux=&quar=99Q2&99245030.htm=on
Here's one which charts the growth of the linux userbase from 1995-1998:
http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?ux=&quar=99Q1&99145016.htm=on
Add those to the others that I posted on Saturday in the "How many linux
users thread.
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:52:12 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:38:30 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Great response woofbert!!!
>> I'll respond below.
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:29:13 -0700, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Hello! It's about time the Linux world recognized that not everyone
>> >likes to buy computer kits and put them together. Some people like to
>> >buy computers and use them. (Bear with me ... I'm a Maccie who finds
>> >himself strangely attracted to investigating Linux. My Yellow Dog and a
>> >big ol' hard drive are in the mail.)
>>
>> Linux has a place in this world, but you are correct. Most people like
>> to pull it out of the box and plug it in.
>>
>> >1. What to get your daughter? I'd recommend the iMac. It's what she
>> >wants, and it's a kickass machine for the artistically inclined. (Please
>> >forgive my stereotypical presumptions.)
>>
>> She IS artistic, but highly anti-computer. She would have been better
>> off born in the 1960's as a flower child.
>>
>> She likes the concept of the iMac and I feel it might help her enjoy
>> computers more.
>>
>> >2. What to do about the wide variety of hardware and bundled software?
>> >This is hard ... Do you really *want* Linux to take over Windows'
>> >position? Then you have to make something better than Windows ... which
>> >means that it works with all the existing hardware and software, right,
>> >the first time, without any problems. (Never mind all the stuff about
>> >how Linux is technically or politically better than Windoze ... Maccies
>> >have been saying that about the Mac for years and it hasn't worked.
>> >Much.)
>>
>> That is my main beef with Linux. For the mass market it does
>> absolutely NOTHING better than Windows. Sure if you're a student
>> programmer you can be set up with compilers, editors and such for
>> $1.99. the reality is most home users are not interested in that.
>>
>
>The reality is:
>
>ALL software is written by programmers.
True
>Most Windows machines have no facilities for writing code.
True
>ALL Linux machines do.
But the average person can't so it is a moot point.
>5 years from now, who do you think will have the larger application
>base, considering that every teenager with a Linux box is learning
>to write code for it.
Speculative at best. Most teenagers i know are taking up finance in
college. Why do you think they just increased the H1B visa quota here
in the USA?
Nobody is going into programming...
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:53:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> God you ARE a STUPID FUCK...
>
> The repetitive function in and of itself incorporates the Cache (not
> Cash like you think).....
That's very good Simon.
Yes, disk cash's are for repetitive work.
What will be your next feat?
Will you attempt to explain to use why Windows doesn't have one?
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:54:29 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:40:11 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Great response woofbert!!!
>> I'll respond below.
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:29:13 -0700, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Hello! It's about time the Linux world recognized that not everyone
>> >likes to buy computer kits and put them together. Some people like to
>> >buy computers and use them. (Bear with me ... I'm a Maccie who finds
>> >himself strangely attracted to investigating Linux. My Yellow Dog and a
>> >big ol' hard drive are in the mail.)
>>
>> Linux has a place in this world, but you are correct. Most people like
>> to pull it out of the box and plug it in.
>>
>> >1. What to get your daughter? I'd recommend the iMac. It's what she
>> >wants, and it's a kickass machine for the artistically inclined. (Please
>> >forgive my stereotypical presumptions.)
>>
>> She IS artistic, but highly anti-computer. She would have been better
>> off born in the 1960's as a flower child.
>>
>> She likes the concept of the iMac and I feel it might help her enjoy
>> computers more.
>>
>> >2. What to do about the wide variety of hardware and bundled software?
>> >This is hard ... Do you really *want* Linux to take over Windows'
>> >position? Then you have to make something better than Windows ... which
>> >means that it works with all the existing hardware and software, right,
>> >the first time, without any problems. (Never mind all the stuff about
>> >how Linux is technically or politically better than Windoze ... Maccies
>> >have been saying that about the Mac for years and it hasn't worked.
>> >Much.)
>>
>> That is my main beef with Linux. For the mass market it does
>> absolutely NOTHING better than Windows. Sure if you're a student
>> programmer you can be set up with compilers, editors and such for
>> $1.99. the reality is most home users are not interested in that.
>>
>> >From this perspective, Linux will have an easier time taking over
>> >Windoze than Mac: Windoze systems are brittle, and people expect them to
>> >be flaky.
>>
>> Very true, and the "what if your Lexus needed a tuneup every week "
>> argument is a valid one.
>>
>> Mac systems are well-integrated and things work. Badly
>> >designed software just doesn't make it in the Mac market. People will
>> >not want to take a giant leap backwards in user-friendliness, usability,
>> >reliability, and servicibility. Linux needs to become *consistent* if it
>> >wants to take over Windows. And so far, that it ain't.
>>
>> Linux is a hodge podge of hacked together programs. Some are excellent
>> and some pitiful. There is really no cohesive bond that holds them
>> together.
>
>Unix was DESIGNED from a "toolbox" approach, By your reasoning,
>a mechanic's socket-wrench set is just a "hodge-podge" of pieces
>of metal that can't do anything alone.
Nope. An SK socket set is a well designed tool box in and of itself
that even the common housewife can operate.
Try vi on you your significant other, assuming she is not a LinoGeek
of course :)
>>
>> Based on your suggestions I am going to investigate the iMac tomorrow.
>>
>> Thank you..
>>
>> Simon
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The MEDIA this year!
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:55:15 GMT
I would like everyone to note the flaring testicles of
the Simon777 creature as he's being cornered for the kill.
It's a colorful sight.
Charlie
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
> > Oh crap! Pick up any computer magazine at your local office they have.
> > I want other people to post to this and give him your side of it.
> >
> > Charlie
>
> I would, but everytime that I post some factual data which sheds some
> light on the fact that linux is the fastest growing os in the server
> market, WinTrolls like simon777 start scurrying under the floorboards.
>
> *sigh* Here's some links...
>
> Here's one that gives a figure for how many IT managers planned to
> replace existing systems with linux:
>
> http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?ux=&quar=99Q2&99245030.htm=on
>
> Here's one which says how many it managers intend to put linux on the
> desktop in the next 12 months:
>
> http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?ux=&quar=99Q2&99245030.htm=on
>
> Here's one which charts the growth of the linux userbase from 1995-1998:
>
> http://www.infotechtrends.com/cgi-bin/cif/sub_read.pl?ux=&quar=99Q1&99145016.htm=on
>
> Add those to the others that I posted on Saturday in the "How many linux
> users thread.
>
> --
> Salvador Peralta
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.la-online.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:55:59 GMT
Yea and ,YOU have not provided a single source for the wild claims you
have made in this group....
So prove me wrong Charlie Ebert.
Provide some verifiable source for all of your wild claims.
Even one?
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:43:23 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Simon777 reminds me of Al Bundy.
>He keeps trying but he's never been a sucessful shoe salesman.
>
>Well, what crap will he come up with next I wonder.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
>
>Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > If that's the best reply you can muster, you are a moron...
>> >
>> > You are an ostrich hiding in the sand and refusing to face the
>> > reality.
>> >
>>
>> Evidently, Simon is unaware of Judge Jackson's ruling.
>> And the fact that Microsoft's testimony was frought with so many
>> lies that, even M$'s courtroom supporters were appalled at the
>> level of perjury.
>>
>> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:36:18 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >Edited to correct false innuendo and implication of terms.
>> > >
>> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Daughter graduating middle school this week and going into high school
>> > >> and I thought a nice desktop computer system would make a worthwhile
>> > >> graduation present.
>> > >>
>> > >> I have ALWAYS built every single one of my systems in the past all the
>> > >> way from DTK motherboard based PC clones up to the Abit based system I
>> > >> have now. Never, ever,ever, bought a pre-load.
>> > >>
>> > >> This time, possibly due to laziness or just a wearing down by all of
>> > >> the glossy advertisements in the Sunday NY Times, I decided to go out
>> > >> and look at all of these "ready made" systems that the typical Joe 18
>> > >> pack will buy.
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW my daughter wants an iMac. Anybody know anything about them?
>> > >>
>> > >> Anyway, I went to CompUSA, Staples, Electronic City and several local
>> > >> places, the kind of places I would avoid like the plague on my quest
>> > >> and here is what I found.
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. LOSE Hardware is EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!
>> > >> Motherboards have built in modems, Ethernet, SoundChips, video
>> > >> and so forth. Much of this is LOSE hardware.
>> > >>
>> > >> 2. The included printer is usually some POS LOSE printer. Same for
>> > >> scanner and USB devices are sometimes included as well.
>> > >>
>> > >> 3. The operating system is always LOSE 98SE and no credit is given for
>> > >> not getting it.
>> > >>
>> > >> 4. Internet bundles (you are hostage to Compu$erve for 3 years) are
>> > >> typically used to lower price.
>> > >>
>> > >> 5. You get a bunch of low priced software and nothing of real
>> > >> substance. The exception was MS Works which is pretty decent.
>> > >>
>> > >> The iMac is starting to look better all the time :)
>> > >>
>> > >> Anyway, my point is that this is the typical way that a user buys a
>> > >> computer. They are not like you and me who build our own, they walk
>> > >> into a chain store and buy what seems, to them, to be the best value.
>> > >>
>> > >> My question is, how is Linux going to realistically overcome this?
>> > >
>> > >Destruction of "per CPU" licensing schemes is the first step.
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Looking at the specs for Compaq, HP, Sony VIAO and others, absolutely
>> > >> NONE of these would run Linux and support all the I/O devices the
>> > >> person paid for.
>> > >>
>> > >> This IS the computer hardware market, like it or not. And I for one
>> > >> DON't like it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Comments?
>>
>> --
>> Aaron R. Kulkis
>> Unix Systems Engineer
>> ICQ # 3056642
>>
>> H: Knackos...you're a retard.
>>
>> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>>
>> B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>>
>> C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
>> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
>> that she doesn't like.
>>
>> D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>>
>> E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
>> ...despite (D) above.
>>
>> F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
>> response until their behavior improves.
>>
>> G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
>> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do
.......
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 21 Jun 2000 09:59:06 +0800
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:49:36 +0200, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > But this newsgroup will be very boring if everyone
>> >just praises Linux.
>> Why ?
>> Theres a lot to praise, unlike the OS *your* using right now.
>>
>I am using W2k Pro right now. Sometimes I use Mandrake 7.1. Admittedly
>only to tinker with.
It shows.
> Prefer IE5/OE to Netscape 6 for Linux.
Me too.
> The latter is
>functionally crappy and very slow - especially as a newsreader.
Ewwww, use SLRN, or if you must, Forte Agent.
>
>W2k has many praises and is certainly miles ahead of any Linux distro - as
>an *effective* desktop.
Nonsense, you don't have a clue about the real meaning of "effective".
You only know what youve been told,and you have accepted the limitations of
your OS (Windows), from this place of ignorance you think its "effective".
The only one who misses out, is you, unless you explore and discover other
ways.
I have come from a Windows background, admittedly the last time I really
used Windows was 1997.
Has it really changed that much ?
These questions concern Desktop use.
Does it do remote GUI now ?
Does it allow me to run programs *on* other networked pc's.
Does it come with thousands of free high quality programs ?
Does it have a choice of Window Managers ?
Can I have a WM that does NOT use icons, as I hate icons ?
Can I run a http, a irc and a ftp server from my *desktop* ?
Does it include all the C development tools I need, and for free ?
Will it stay up for weeks between power outages?
Can I have the 22 Virtual desktops I have now ?
Can I leave the 14 apps open continuously that are open now, spread
across the 22 Virtual Desktops ?
This is my idea of "effective", whats yours ?
> Hell, I read that W2k even beats Linux in server
>benchmarks!
Hell I read that Elle McPherson is a great lover.
> But if Linux is better I would use it. Pity it is not.
How would you know ?
Your a self admitted tinkerer with Linux.
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: 20 Jun 2000 20:59:50 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The point is, which you have missed, is that I have seen more come and
>go in my lifetime than you have.
>
>Linux will fade just like the 2821 and it's attached 1403 and 3525
>card punch.
No, it will be more like the unix that ran on the PDP11's. And
I'm not sure I'd call that fading.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How many times, installation != usability.
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:59:29 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Check their webpage.
>
> Suffice to say you are getting 1/4 of the cards true power running
> Linux.....
Let me get this right, just for the sake of argument.
What does an SBLive card cost? What does W2K or W98SE cost?
Is this really an important thing? There are many sound cards supported
by Linux, buy one of those. It is still cheaper than an SBLive card and
your choice of W2k or w98se.
Linux will not run all hardware, nor will w2k. Big f%5ing deal. That's
what "Hardware Compatibility Lists" are for.
>
> On 16 Jun 2000 15:38:40 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Yawwwnnnn...Same old Linux lies...
> >>
> >>And I'm sure you get to use all of those features that work under
> >>Windows with your shiny new SBLive under Linux?
> >
> > Beats me. Send me a SBLive and a copy of Windows and I'll be happy to
> > do a feature comparison for you.
> >
> > ____
> > david parsons \bi/ It is admirable that you can reel 'em in this easily,
> > \/ but you're still shooting fish in a barrel.
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