Linux-Advocacy Digest #218, Volume #30 Mon, 13 Nov 00 20:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? (Gary Hallock)
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Drazen Kacar)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? (Bob Hauck)
Re: OS stability (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8) (Bob Hauck)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... ("Evan DiBiase")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (tklso@pklif)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8) (Steve Mading)
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("James E. Freedle II")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("James E. Freedle II")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:13:47 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I don't think that happens under Win2k (I'll check though). I think
> Win2k
> > > honors the context for the local user.
>
> As a postscript, I just tested this with the Win2k telnet server. Executing
> Notepad did not spawn a notepad on the desktop, in fact it simply refused to
> create the window and the app exited.
>
That's good.
>
> > > Similarly, what happens if you have DISPLAY set for a machine you are
> not
> > > logged into? Does your app pop up on someone elses computer if you
> mistype
> > > the IP address and that IP happens to have an X server running?
>
> > Only if the owner of the display has set xhost + or otherwise authorized
> you.
> > Of course, who uses IP address directly? Most of the time you would use
> the
> > name, which is less likely to be typed in error.
>
> Sounds like a great way to screw with your fellow employees.
That's why you shouldn't use xhost +. It lets anyone use your display.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 14 Nov 2000 00:32:06 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:19:53 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:02:08 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
>> >Does the word EMPHASIS mean anything to you?
>>
>> If half the article has "emphasis", then it's no longer "emphasis",
>
>
>Why is it that it is not imphassis??? can't you emphasise an intire
>sentance with out shouting? I can do serveral in a row without
>shouting.. It had become obvious that the person was not paying
>attention to what was being writen so heavy emphasis was required.
Your reasoning is flawed.
The situation here is analagous to a situation where one person isn't
listening, and the other is shouting louder and louder. (or perhaps
two people are shouting and neither are listening).
If someone doesn't want to read your post, or pay attention to what you
have to say, you're not going to be able to change that by adopting a
more forceful tone.
If someone is not prepared to "listen" to you, shouting (or "emphasising")
your words will not help.
BTW, writing in all upper case will not help either -- upper case text is
more difficult to read.
>You are not adding to the topic
The topic is not worth adding to. You are essentially having a shouting
match and I'm not interested in participating.
The topic I'm bringing up is the fact that your conduct is an embarrassment
to the Linux community.
> being discussed your just here pissin'.
That doesn't make any sense.
>I have contributed in many ways my self, but I don't come into a thead
>and do nothing but insult people
I don't see where I "insulted" anyone.
There is a difference between a "complaint" and an "insult".
> without even trying to adress the
>topic. If you are truley a contributer you would know not to do that.
Whether I am or am not a "contributor" is hardly in dispute -- my
contributions are all publically available and easy to verify.
>Now, are you going to contibute to the debate about servers being able
>to be secure even after runing for a long time or are you going to piss
>and insult people some more?
I'm not terribly interested in the debate. I don't see what you guys are
trying to prove. Linux works great for me, so I use it. W2k works well for
others, so I don't call them idiots for using it.
--
Donovan
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:32:09 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Jake Taense wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Giuliano Colla
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Because IE is as slow as Netscape, slightly more crappy then
> > >Netscape, slightly more buggy then Netscape, and moreover it
> > >is absolutely and intrinsically unsafe. Didn't I LOVE YOU
> > >teach anything?
> >
> > Wasn't that a virus that took advantage of a problem with OE, not IE?
> >
> > I could be wrong.
>
> it exploited the same design flaw in both programs.
The design flaw is in Windows itself. It offers a nice API called
ShellExecute. (actually they're two, ShellExecute and ShellExecuteEx,
because due to the crappy design, after some time they discover that
they've left out something, and provide a new, different API, which does
roughly the same thing, but with something added)
However ShellExecute will "execute" a file name. If the file is a
document it will open it using the registered application. If the file
is a program it will launch it.
Well IE, like OE, is apparently using this API to access html pages, so
that if a link instead of an html document is something like
C:\windows\system\rundll.exe followed by some nasty action, it will run
it without bothering. I had been told that you could reboot a windows
box with just a link like that, I tried and it worked.
>
> >
> > But in my experience, Netscape is both slower and buggier than IE in any
> > version over 4.0 on either side.
> >
Maybe it depends on the extra bugs added to the localized version. Being
in Italy, I usually get localized windows only, and I'm forced to
install localized applications to keep a minimum consistency on DLL's.
However since version 4.x I was fed up with Netscape Netcenter which
comes up when I want just read my mail, and similar things, so I
attempted to switch to IE, but I always went back to crappy Netscape.
> > Netscape also routinely crashes on my linux box.
If you disable Java script, all sites with MS java, which is
purposefully designed in order to crash Netscape, won't harm you
anymore, and Netscape crashes will be strongly reduced.
With stream audio I experience the same problem. Sites supporting also
Windows Media Player do crash Real Player. Sites not supporting Media
Player do not crash Real Player.
>
> better a crash than an ILOVEYOU attack.
>
Well said.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 14 Nov 2000 00:32:41 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:10:35 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
>> I don't consider adding to a glorified pissing contest to be a
>meaningful
>> or valuable exercise.
>
>
>then why did you do it?????
I'm not "adding to it". I'm complaining about your conduct.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drazen Kacar)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 14 Nov 2000 00:29:11 GMT
mlw wrote:
> Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:
> > * You can easily make a C++ binding for a C framework, so why not do
> > it the other way around?
>
> Because C++ provides you with a rich set of object handling features.
> Look at the GTK, it is a horrible mess of "C" pretending to be C++. Why
It isn't horrible. It's very nice compared to some other C stuff which
tried to be object oriented.
> not use C++ in the first place?
So why not use Objective C?
--
.-. .-. Chaos, panic & disorder - my work here is done.
(_ \ / _)
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:38:17 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > IE now run on three OS that I know of. Win*, Mac, Solaris.
> >
> > Now that is funny. Have you ever tried running IE on Solaris?
> > It was so slow and bloated that it was unusable. Also, if I
> > remember correctly it only ran on a specific version of Solaris
> > (2.6 I think). Now how many applications do you know that only
> > work on specific versions of Solaris? Seems like Microsoft
> > can't write portable code for a specific OS. That must be why
> > you often need to upgrade your applications when you install
> > a new version of Windows. :-)
>
> That's what happens when your entire company is based on
> code written by those with no more than a highschool education.
In Europe there's a common notion that US high school do not provide
much of an education, but I never could believe it so true, until your
remark!
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:36:46 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Andres Soolo wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > [about LF vs. CR-LF as newline separator]
> > > Yes, Simon think it is quit normal for Gates to ignore a standard
that
> > > had been in place for a full decade.
> > Well ... actually, MS followed there a standard. An old standard from
> > about the same era as EBCDIC's roots. The teletypes needed two separate
> > commands to scroll the paper and to move the print head back to the
> > left end of the page.
>
> Please explain the logic benefit of using EBCDIC standards on ASCII
machines....
Legacy code used them.
Also, CRLF is not an EBCDIC standard -- it's from teletypes and printers.
VT52, for example, didn't do single-character newline.
Simon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 14 Nov 2000 00:40:42 GMT
On 13 Nov 2000 23:54:14 +0100, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:
>[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>> The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
>> is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
>> anti-c++.
>
>* No standards for name mangling, leading to backwards compatibility
> horrors.
In theory, yes. In practice, we've also seen backward compatibility problems
with libc.
>* Very hard to make bindings to languages other than C++.
extern "C".
>* You can easily make a C++ binding for a C framework, so why not do
> it the other way around?
Why would you want to use C for high level applications programming ? I
can see a reasonable argument to be made for writing perl, python, etc
bindings using a C based API, but I don't see why anyone would want
to stick with C.
GTK+/GNOME are a couple of hairballs, C pretending to be C++. I won't
even start on ORBit. My only hope for GNOME/GTK is that they'll bring
their C++ support up to an acceptable level.
>The Unix ABI is based on C. Live with it.
If this attitude prevailed, you wouldn't be using a computer in the
first place.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 14 Nov 2000 00:43:30 GMT
On 13 Nov 2000 22:27:00 -0000, Chris J/#6 wrote:
>James Hutchins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Speaking of Motif ... I've not actually done any research (mostly because
>this thoughts only just arrived within my skull) -- has any one considered,
>or are there any libraries, that wrap Qt and/or GTK into Motif calls? I know
I don't think they have. Ouch! the thought makes me ill.
Seriously, Qt is not just a pretty looking widget set. It's also very nicely
designed, and forcing it onto the design of a legacy API is less than
desirable.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:44:08 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:59:37 +0000, The Great Suprendo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>A certain Pete Goodwin, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
>>So you need the next version up from W2K Professional to get the
>>equivalent with any flavour of Linux.
>
>I concede that this is true but I would point out that it is not really
>likely to be useful.
I disagree. It is useful for me to be able to log into my office
machine from the development lab and run my normal programs without
having to physically walk to my office. Conversely, it is useful to
test the program I am writing on the development machine (where the
hardware is connected) and have it display at my desk.
You get real used to this kind of thing once you have it available.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:44:12 GMT
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:03:20 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> What routine maintenance do you recommend for disk controllers and
>> memory?
>Memory should be run through a memory tester. This is a device which
>buries it in various data patterns and re-reads them verifying each bit
>is correct.
I know what a memory tester is. And I don't know _anyone_ who
routinely pulls memory out of working machines and tests it. If you
are that concerned, you should be using ECC memory, which ought to tell
you when it corrects bad bits.
I suppose you also keep a SCSI analyzer around to stress-test your disk
controller and routinely flood-ping all ethernet interfaces.
>Higher end motherboards have diagnostic devices you can buy from the
>manufacturer.
Which are chiefly useful to figure out which part is bad after
something has failed.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8)
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:44:14 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:47:43 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm using Kppp which is part of KDE 2.0?
>
>I can see it is adding my two ISP DNS entries to /etc/resolv.conf, however
>it doesn't seem to remove them on exit.
It should remove them. The Kppp in KDE 1 does. Could be a bug in Kppp (I
don't have KDE 2 on the laptop that has a modem), or maybe they are
staying in /etc/resolv.conf because you put them there when you installed
the system. Have you tried simply removing them with an editor and then
starting/stopping Kppp?
KDE 2 still has some more bugs than KDE 1. I'm waiting a bit before I
let the kids have it (just like I did with KDE 1).
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Evan DiBiase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:49:45 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well my Mandrake 7.2 CD hasn't arrived yet, but taking a look at the
> Mandrake group is anything but encouraginging. Users are complaining
> about the same old library dependency problems, modems not working, CD
> images corrupt, fonts, Netscape and so forth.
And your title is "Same old Linux..Nothing new here..." I'd like to
respectfully (some might ask why) point out that Linux != Mandrake. I've
had horrible luck with Mandrake, and am currently very happy with Debian
"woody."
One distribution is not representative of all distributions.
-Evan
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From: tklso@pklif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:09:53 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob says...
>
>http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html
>
>Note that in this survey of the longest uptimes, every single one of
>them is running some form of Unix. Not even one single one is running
>any Microsoft OS, even Windows 2000.
this is not fair.
windows OS's are designed for ease of use and not for staying up longest.
you really can't have it both ways. If you want a pretty looking OS,
you have to put up with a crash here and there. If you want a solid
OS like unix, you have to put up with not having all those pretty windows
on the desktop.
it is a matter of choice. that is why unix is used for servers, and windows
for the desktop. desktop system do not have to stay up too long, unlike
servers.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:54:36 GMT
David Brown wrote:
>
> I can crash my Win95 desktop quite easily by trying to start programs too
> early. Another good one is to insert a ZIP disk while the desktop is first
> being displayed after a reboot. Sometimes inserting a CD also works. I
> haven't managed to get the same effect under NT, however.
>
Usually I manage NOT to crash my boxes, so I'm quite careful to let the
system do just one little thing at a time. It's silly for a supposedly
multitasking system, but that way I reduce crashes.
In the last year, since I started using Linux, I lost somehow this good
habit, because Linux IS multitasking, so when I switch back to Windows I
crash it more frequently.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8)
Date: 14 Nov 2000 00:47:53 GMT
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:> In Linux this is entirely under the control of userland setup
:> programs, *not* the core OS. As such, the behaviour is different
:> depending on which setup tool you use. Some setup tools do
:> exactly what you describe, and have for some time. Some do not.
: I'm using Kppp which is part of KDE 2.0?
: I can see it is adding my two ISP DNS entries to /etc/resolv.conf, however
: it doesn't seem to remove them on exit.
Hmm - sounds like kppp needs work, then. I don't use Kppp, so
I can't confirm or deny this (I use command-line based wvdial
because I want to kick it off from within my own script - I
have it automated via xringd (monitors the phone rings, so you
can triger commands on your home pc by making the phone ring in
a preset code of your choosing, and have it kick off commands.
It's kinda like a crontab file, but it's triggered by patterns
of phone rings rather than the system clock.) I have it set to
connect via ISP when I give the right code, then after connected
it sends an e-mail to my work account with the temp dynamic IP
address for that session - This is all so I can get to the machine
when I'm not home. Sometimes if I have something big to download
I'll download it to work (fast connection), then use this
system to get my home pc connected while I'm still at work,
then I can start FTPing the big download to my home PC so it's
going while I'm driving home.
Anyway, the point of that long story is that I really like wvdial,
and I haven't had any of these types of problems with it yet.
If you don't mind doing things in a command-line way, you might
want to look at it as an alternative to kppp.
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From: "James E. Freedle II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:03:24 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EFLP5.19780$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "James E. Freedle II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:VgKP5.2063$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > I see windows guys saving
> > > screen dumps of systems, then paging through a mess of them punching
> > > all the same buttons again and again. Is there a better way than
that?
> >
> > Yes, you can create scripts that will work with Install shield if the
> company
> > has set it up to do so. I was reading the documentation for SQL Server
7.0
> and
> > it tells you in detail of how to run through the install and answer all
> the
> > questions to create a script to install it over the network on a remote
> > machine.
>
> I take it that means every program instance is different?
I am not sure about other programs, or Install Shield. I have not used it
and I have not gotten far enough in school to worry with Installation
Programs.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: "James E. Freedle II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:04:10 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "James E. Freedle II" wrote:
> >
> > ----------
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote...
> >
> > > "Charles M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >Telnet,
> > > Windows 2000 Terminal Services, FTP, Remote Console (done locally)
> > > > >and several others.
> > > > >
> > > > >They can all be done locally on the same machine without a network
> > > > >connection using only local loopback.
> > > > >
> > > > I did try telnet (to the local machine) from win2000, but it doesn't
> > > > give a logon prompt (that suprised me, but I've never tried a local
> > > > telnet on win2000 before). I checked the telnet services properties
> > > > and notice that logon properties defaults to 'Local System' account.
> > > > There is a choice for setting a single account username/password,
but
> > > > that didn't seem to work for me (wouldn't connect at all). How
would
> > > > you use telnet to perform a su type command? (runas seems to be
> > > > limited to a single command, not a complete login shell, so that
> > > > doesn't seem to be what I'm after here).
> > >
> > > Try to run cmd.exe with runas. Then the whole shell runs as that
user.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > For what reasons would you need to switch to another user?
>
> to fuckup their files.
I wondered why all my UNIX files get messed up.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:06:07 GMT
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Curtis wrote:
> > >
> > > Giuliano Colla wrote...
> > > > Life is not as simple as that. Maybe you've noticed that in order to
> > > > fake a faster boot, icons do appear before they can be actually used.
> > > > Usually if you click "My computer" too soon nothing happens.
> Apparently
> > > > there's a split microsecond when things are only halfway setup, and if
> > > > you just catch that moment you may get a BSOD out of a very innocent
> > > > operation. I was setting up networking and for each change I was
> > > > prompted to reboot, so I was acting faster than normal, after the
> umpth
> > > > reboot. I tried to reproduce the problem, and it was very hard to do,
> > > > but I succeeded at least once more.
> > >
> > > Hmmm. I'm one like you who tends to be hasty and start hitting icons
> > > before they actually become usable. Usually nothing happens. No
> > > bluescreen. You're an unlucky guy. <g>
> > >
> > I agree with you that it's a very unlikely thing to happen. Maybe it's
> > related to other unlikely conditions. Perhaps you've noticed that in NT
> > if you alter your network setting it turns out that your shared
> > directories still appear to be shared (the icon is that of a shared
> > thing) but actually they aren't. You must remove the sharing and then
> > share again. At this point the folder or the drive is again visible
> > netwise (rather crappy, but it works like that). As I was setting up
> > networking, it's possible that I was in this particular condition of a
> > C: drive shared/not shared. Were it the only stability problem with
> > Windows NT, one could neglect it as irrelevant.
> > I only mentioned it because Ayende appeared not to believe that a BSOD
> > may come out of a drag-and-drop operation (which actually I too have
> > experienced a few times). So I brought forward my experience of an even
> > simpler operation which *may* produce a BSOD.
>
> Which was a moot point, IMHO, since any of the following *may* produce them:
> Planetary Alignment Shifts, Chinese Tea Prices, Pork Belly Futures, and
> Current Fashion Trends. Net etiquette dictates I stop the list here.
> Bandwidth is our friend!
Your remark is technically correct, but fails to grasp a point. Pork
Belly Futures were not designed by Microsoft, while the notion of
showing the icons before the service is available was a design spec,
which provides a highway for bugs and crashes.
Design specs determine THAT it will happen. Chinese Tea Price only
affects WHEN.
>
> The drag-and-drop thing happened to me a few times too . SP4 on every
> occasion. Never SP3. Weird.
Not so weird. NT was originally designed starting from IBM specs. Then
IBM rejected it because the implementation was too crappy. The farther
you go from original specs, the more it becomes Microsoft.
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