Linux-Advocacy Digest #218, Volume #31 Wed, 3 Jan 01 14:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Hatred? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (hackerbabe)
Re: My experiance with win98 and SCSI vs Linux (Cannon Fodder)
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (hackerbabe)
Re: Why Hatred? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (hackerbabe)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting (Sgt Detritus)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Cannon Fodder)
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (Sgt Detritus)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
(SoneoneElse)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Darren
Winsper")
Re: mail reader ("Darren Winsper")
Re: Uptimes ("JSPL")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it (Giuliano
Colla)
Re: Linux Modems ("Darren Winsper")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Linux and License ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Modems (John Travis)
Re: Why Hatred? (Pete Goodwin)
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:14:45 -0600
"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > Any script you can write in Unix can be written for Windows as well.
>
> *SNORT*
> [Damn, now I'm going have to clean coffee off my screen and keyboard]
>
> That's good. That's really good. I think you have that sentence in your
sig. I
> think you should get a T shirt with it on. In fact I think I'll put it in
my
> sig.
If you don't believe it. Name a script in Unix that can't be done on
Windows.
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From: hackerbabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:03:45 GMT
In article <lAH46.341234$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "hackerbabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:92tmli$ojd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > A quote from http://microsoft.aynrand.org/hate.html, referring to
why
> > Microsoft has been persecuted in the anti-trust trial:
> ...
> > Is there any truth to this accusation of envy, or are there other
> > reasons people dislike Microsoft?
>
> Of course there's truth to it. The question is, how much? As with any
answer
> that tries to distill a complex issue down to "one fundamental
reason," the
> amount of truth is likely not much. Most of the vitriol you read here,
> taking the opposite position, is similarly limited.
>
> -- Mike --
Mike,
Do you know of any intelligent, well-researched responses on the
internet to this sort of drivel?
Other than Eric Raymonds' writings on http://www.tuxedo.org/, I can't
find any.
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From: Cannon Fodder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My experiance with win98 and SCSI vs Linux
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:12:38 GMT
On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Never had a problem with it..
>
Darn. Back to the drawing board on that one. I'm now getting
mental images of me with a basebal bat and one sorry SCSI card...
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From: hackerbabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:11:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hackerbabe wrote:
>
> > > > Where do you think most of the 8 million Linux users
> > > > came from?
> > >
> > > 8 million? Divide that by ten and you'll be getting warmer.
> >
> > This seems like an argument that says, in short:
> > "What ever is most used by the masses must be the best. You want
what
> > is best. Therefore, use Win98, since the most people use it on
> > thecounter.com."
> >
> > The masses don't know best for this individual.
>
> or 'the individual'
>
> and i agree with that completely.
>
> but the argument goes both ways.
>
> the individual doesn't know what's best for the masses.
>
> and if you're not the individual then you're part of the masses.
>
> so because some hard bloke in c.o.l.a thinks linux is the greatest
thing
> since, well, since 1950's computing. doesn't mean it's the greatest
thing
> for me.
>
> which it isn't.
>
> at all.
I have no argument about what you think is personally is best for you.
I guess the most appropriate thing to do is to agree to disagree.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:33:50 -0600
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Great! Maybe you can help me translate this UNIX script into an NT
> version then:
All you're doing here is stopping a few services and starting a backup to
tape. Depending on what tape backup program you have, this is a breeze.
Use net stop to stop whatever services you want, then execute the command
line version of the tape backup program (Backup Exec for instance, the most
common backup program for NT has one) then use net start to restart the
services.
Big deal.
>
> #!/bin/bash
> # simple backup
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail stop
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/inet stop
> /bin/echo Current mountlist is like this:
> /bin/df
> /bin/echo TAR error messages as follows:
> /bin/tar -cvf /dev/tape /home /var/lib /var/named /var/spool
/usr/share/fax /var/state /etc /root /usr/local/samba /usr/local/work
/usr/local/bb /apps /usr/local/profiles /usr/local/www
/usr/local/win32/startup > /usr/local/backup/full.`/bin/date +%Y%m%d`
> /bin/echo TAR error messages done.
> /bin/sleep 60
> /bin/sync
> /bin/echo Starting email servers
> # send HUP
> /usr/bin/killall sendmail
> /bin/sleep 1
> # send death
> /usr/bin/killall -9 sendmail
> /bin/sleep 1
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail start
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/inet start
>
> Of course, even opening the tape device takes pages of C++ code under
> windows...
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: hackerbabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:16:20 GMT
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gates's lawyers strong-armed vendors into accepting contracts which
> specifically prevented competing Intel-based operating systems from
> having fair market access.
>
> Things like collecting payment for the sale of a Microsoft product
> even when the purchaser specifically purchased another product INSTEAD
> of Microsoft's.
>
> This is called racketeering, and it is illegal.
>
> Not only that, but Microsoft was convicted
>
> And further...Microsoft didn't even appeal the conviction, because
> they know they were caught dead to rights.
I must have missed this in the news.
Do you have a link to this story? This motivates me to switch to Linux.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:37:20 -0600
"JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:45:55 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >NT has always had tab completion, it's just not turned on by default.
> >
>
>http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs/mail/1.30.97-7.30.97/160
1
> >.html
> >
> >As usual, you Linux advocates don't know what you're talking about when
it
> >comes to what you criticize.
>
> Wow! It has TAB COMPLETION!!! Fuck me! That's amazing! Next you'll be
> telling me that you can choose not to use the GUI!
Actually, you can. But it's not quite so simple. You need a tool like
VenturCom's Target Designer and Component Designer which allow you to select
which components you want in a target OS, including to run headless.
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From: Sgt Detritus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:31:29 GMT
In article <92varv$i8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Sgt Detritus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> Boring, I read Terry Prachett & eat Carrot instead.
>
True, Pratchett is much more entertaining. If I were to eat anything
though it would likely be Angua (I'm going to stop now as further
comments are not the type to be shared in mixed company)<grin>
--
Any man agitated enough to lift a 300lb. ape
without noticing is a man with way too much on
his mind.
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From: Cannon Fodder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:44:03 GMT
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, sfcybear wrote:
>
>
>What a bunch of horse pucky. From MS and from you.
>
Wow. I thought at first that was an idle comment off the top of
your head and with humorous overtones to bargain. But after
precursing the www.aynrand.org site, I discovered an ENTIRE
UNIVERSITY devoted to pure horse pucky. *shudders at the thought*
The outcasts and carry-forths from the swingin' sixties need go
no farther than this gig, man. *inhales deeply, holds for
effect*
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From: Sgt Detritus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:36:09 GMT
In article <92vmoq$bo0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
hackerbabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not only that, but Microsoft was convicted
> >
> > And further...Microsoft didn't even appeal the conviction, because
> > they know they were caught dead to rights.
>
> I must have missed this in the news.
>
> Do you have a link to this story? This motivates me to switch to
Linux.
I haven't been there in a while but a nice set of stories can be found
at http://www.wired.com They have a link of ongoing stories about MS
vs. DOJ etc. They include a timeline and some links to transcripts of
the "finding of Fact" and judgement, etc...
>
> Sent via Deja.com
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>
--
Any man agitated enough to lift a 300lb. ape
without noticing is a man with way too much on
his mind.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:50:26 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > >
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <sigh>
> > > >
> > > > Ask any self-respecting legal scholar or lawyer what they
> > > > thought of the two FL Supreme Court rulings. If they say
> > > > anything other than "Partisan" or "way off base", then they're
> > > > not a self-respecting legal scholar or lawyer.
> > >
> > > Too bad Chad can't see this note, but notice the tangle.
> > > Let's rephrase:
> > >
> > > Ask any X what they thought. If the answer is A,
> > > then the X is not an X.
> > >
> > > This kind of illogic can keep a discussion going forever.
> > > No matter what one says, if Chad does like it, he
> > > can say you're not a good person.
> > >
> > > Chris
>
> <Chris has a 3rd grade intellect and has proven it with his
> "Nah nah nah boo boo" comments, so his comments will be
> ignored>
>
> >
> > Well, I'm not a self-respecting legal scholar, neither I
> > have one at hand (at least expert of American legal system),
> > but a Supreme US Court ruling "Suspend manual recount until
> > we've taken a decision", and a few days later ruling "Maybe
> > manual recount would be appropriate, but unfortunately now
> > it's too late" has made all Europe laugh heartily at the
> > supposed impartiality of the US Supreme Court (with a
> > majority of Republican members).
>
> That's not at all what happened.
>
> In the second US SC decision, the constitutionality of the
> manual recounts after the Nov 14 deadline were called into
> question. The US SC said that no further recounts should
> happen because they are not constitutional in this respect.
>
> One of the dissenting opinions might have said what you said,
> but other than that, you are either grossly misinformed or
> lying.
>
> > So really I can't take seriously a situation where a state
> > (whose governor is a Republican, and brother of a candidate)
> > has carried out an election which challenges in precision
> > and accuracy Bosnia and Kosovo elections, where a state
> > Supreme Court with Democratic majority rules in favor of the
> > Democratic candidate, and a Federal Supreme Court with
> > Republican majority holds a decision until it's too late, to
> > help the Republican candidate.
>
> But it's ok when there are Democrat canvassers proven to be
> completely partisan and fixing the election, a wholly liberal
> Supreme Court who twice ignored the constitution and wrote their
> own laws to support the Democrats, and many other Democrats
> along the line who completely ignored the laws?
>
> Yes, there was a Republican Governer, but that claim means nothing.
> What did he do? Was there even any allegations of him involved
> somehow in fixing the election for the Republicans? Of course not.
> It's silly and childish to even bring up something like that without
> any proof or even allegations of wrong doing.
>
> As to the allegation that the "Republicans" in the US Supreme Court
> waited too long, you are absolutely wrong. The US Supreme Court can
> take months at times to deliberate over a tough decision. Just
> to get a hearing with the US SC can take years in certain cases.
> The fact that they took the case, heard it, and decided within
> about a 2-3 day period is outstanding. If anything, they hurried
> as fast as possible.
>
> -Chad
The discussion is pointless. A few trees block you the sight
of the wood.
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From: SomeoneElse (SoneoneElse)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:01:26 GMT
Reply-To: Truthteller
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:44:18 +0200, "Ayende Rahien"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>False.
>They want you to pass their tests, so you've a minimal amount of information
>about the platform you are dealing with.
Which would make sense if the information they require you to have was
correct. We have all heard enough stories about the amount of
incorrect answers on those tests.
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From: "Darren Winsper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:01:04 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "kiwiunixman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The so-called technology boom is based on pure stupidity.
Not entirely, but a good chunk of it is.
> Here in New
> Zealand, if many of these stokes were listed on the NZSE40, many
> wouldn't even get past 10cents per share, beacause New Zealand investors
> are pesimestic and not stupid, aka, If it an't turning a fucking
> profit, then don't invest into it.
That's a pretty broad rule.
> I can't wait until all those stupid
> fucking morons who invested into .con companies lose all their money,
> and people finely wake up from this conjob created by bill gates and
> co. about the so-called stategic importance of the internet is relised,
> and people get back on the ground, basing investment decisions on real
> business fundimentals, not bullshit.
I don't know about that. I used to think that e-commerce was largely
becomming a farce, but then I found out my mother booked her latest
holiday over the internet and I have just bought a load of upgrades.
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From: "Darren Winsper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mail reader
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:01:05 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Adam Fineman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm looking for a mail reader that can handle multiple accounts (mixed
> IMAP & POP). Netscape, e.g., can only handle multiple accounts if they
> are all IMAP.
>
> Any suggestions?
I've been using Evolution preview 8 for a while now and I'd say it's
pretty good. You'll have to track it down at http://www.helixcode.com or
use the Helix Gnome installer to install it.
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From: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:04:02 -0500
Reply-To: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:27:40
> >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >>
> >> > Then I would say that both you and they are incompotent NT
> >administrators.
> >>
> >> I'm a Unix admin, I thought I made that clear -
> >> The windows reboots are handled by others.
> >
> >You said that *you* had to get up in 3AM to reboot a BSOD NT
> >
> >A> An NT server would reboot automatically if BSOD and resume operation
> >within minutes.
>
> That NT can be configured to reboot on a blue screen is true. That it
> is not the default is disconcerting. That it will "resume operation" is
> highly debatable.
I believe it IS the default in Win2k. I've had ONE BSOD in 12 months of
using Win2k. (opened the cd rom while transferring a full cd to the HD). The
system blue screened, dumped RAM memory to a file and rebooted, all netwok
connections resumed normally with absolutely no interaction from me (besides
sitting there watching). The one pain in the ass was finding and deleting
the huge 256mb RAM dump file it created.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:13:03 GMT
Jure Sah wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > ?????? Tell me of a OS that crashes on it's own!!!!!!!!!!! Moron...
> >
> > Windows. I've seen it crash more than once before even getting
> > to the fucking LOGIN screen.
> >
> > Can't get any more "crashes on it's own" than that now, can you...
>
> TIME is beyond your capacity of understanding? Did you have any software
> runing before?
>
If you mean that the only way not to have Windows crashing
is to boot up after a fresh install, without running any
software at all, I concur with you that this may somehow
reduce the probability, but it can still happen.
Just try inserting a CD during the boot process, to make an
example.
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From: "Darren Winsper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Modems
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:12:04 +0000
In article <PKI46.8024$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Winmodems are never external modems, Although some external modems are
> USB which i'm unsure of Linux's support for.
Linux 2.4 (And probably the 2.2s with USB support) support CDC ACM USB
modems. God knows how you check whether a modem is of that type or
whether they all are.
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:05:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hackerbabe wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >I can hear the weeping and wailing of the Linux advocates
> > > now! Their supposed 3% (actually .03%) share of the desktop market
> > > will be7
> > > eliminated as though it was never there.
> > > http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/October/os.html
This is great! They normally don't publish these numbers.
I also found that
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/November/os.html worked as well.
Keep in mind that most Linux browsers are identified as
Unknown (20,548,518 identified user IP addresses). Add this to the
number of Linux users (1,686,370), plus the BSD Unix users (most of
951,599) which gives you 23,186,487. Multiply that by a factor
of four (since MSN and AOL publish more IP addresses and don't
offer Linux connectivity support (forcing Linux users to lie and
tell the ISP that they are running IE or Mozilla, and the users
who use Netscape on Wine because the Linux version has memory leaks.
What's really scary is that according to this, Linux is growing almost
as fast as Windows 2000. according to this survey. And we're
nowhere near Windows 98 with 369,835,320 (mostly AOL and MSN users).
I would estimate from these numbers that Windows 98 was slightly
undercounted, and that the error increases as the market share
decreases.
> > > > Where do you think most of the 8 million Linux users
> > > > came from?
> > >
> > > 8 million? Divide that by ten and you'll be getting warmer.
Or, multiply by 10, you'll have a pretty close estimate.
This is a good barometer of growth patterns and growth rates, but
not an absolutely accurate count. Linux users can emulate Windows
for web browsing, they also use an unknown browser (squid or konqueror)
Survey methods can easily be skewed. This is a survey, not a Census.
> > This seems like an argument that says, in short:
> > "What ever is most used by the masses must be the best.
> > You want what is best.
Based on this logic, people should have smoked cigarrettes in the
1950s and 1960s, and teenagers should keep smoking, drinking, and
having sex because the largest portion have done these things at
least once between the ages of 14 and 19.
> > Therefore, use Win98, since the most people use it on
> > thecounter.com."
What I find particularly interesting about this survey is that
appearantly about 300 million people threw their Windows 95
machines into - the abyss? the garbage? toxic waste dumps?
And yet several companies are shipping Windows 95 class machines
to Eastern Europe, South America, Indonesia, India, and China.
Perhaps this survey only surveys English speaking sites, with US
.com addresses, and that run Windows NT/2K servers.
> > The masses don't know best for this individual.
>
> Only when the masses have a choice.
We have a consensus. Having only "one true religion" is not
a good thing. Especially when it comes to computer systems.
> Gates's lawyers strong-armed vendors into accepting contracts which
> specifically prevented competing Intel-based operating systems from
> having fair market access.
> Things like collecting payment for the sale of a Microsoft product
> even when the purchaser specifically purchased another product INSTEAD
> of Microsoft's.
Don't forget clauses in the Windows 98 contract that explicitly
excluded any alteration of the "Boot Sequence" (excluding Linux
without being blatently obvious).
Don't forget "120%" cliff-tiered pricing contracts which required
OEMs to purchase more licenses than they could possibly use, and then
forbade them for offering these surplus licenses for resale.
> This is called racketeering, and it is illegal.
>
> Not only that, but Microsoft was convicted
Actually, they have only been convicted of violations of the Sherman
Act. This is a federal crime with penalties similart to a felony.
The damages were certainly felonious (nearly $40 billion inflated
OS prices alone).
> And further...Microsoft didn't even appeal the conviction, because
> they know they were caught dead to rights.
Which case are you talking about? Microsoft has appealed the DOJ
case (pending currently) on technicalities.
In a number of civil cases, Microsoft has settled out of court,
on condition that all records and transcripts be sealed (therefore
not admissable in other civil and criminal cases).
The FTC has been investigating Microsoft for nearly 15 years and
has attempted to negotiate at least 5 settlements, none of which
resulted in a competitive market (in fact the single user system
market got even LESS competitive).
On at least 3 occaisions, Federal Judges have rejected settlements
between Microsoft and the Clinton administration as being "too soft".
As many as 25 states have sought to bring charges against Microsoft.
Microsoft has also been investigated and sanctioned in Europe, Japan,
and China(PRC).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux and License
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:21:58 GMT
Hi all
I want to know that:
if i make a linux firewall based on a normal and free linux distribution
(red hat, debian, mandrake or others)and i want to sell to an
organization ....which kind of license should i sell or give?
Or better can i sell a firewall based on a linux distribution and
repatched in some particulary way?...
tnx a lot
Aman
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From: John Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Modems
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:18:44 GMT
On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:15:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:I'm curently a new linux user and I'm using Mandrake 7.2
:Can anyone suggest to me an easy to configure external modem that I can
:find at CompUSA or Best buy? All insight is appreciated.
Any *serial* external should be a safe bet.
jt
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:33:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The C/C++ skills you know now can be used on UNIX/LINUX/BEOS and any
> other OS that conforms to the C/C++ specifications.
Do you include GUI skills as well?
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