Linux-Advocacy Digest #236, Volume #27 Wed, 21 Jun 00 18:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Boring (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do .......
("James")
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (tinman)
Re: Number of Linux Users (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(Mathias Grimmberger)
Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server (Daniel Tryba)
Re: Windows98 ("James")
Re: Windows98 (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Windows98 (JEDIDIAH)
Re: slashdot is down -again- (Craig Kelley)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boring
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:39:57 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:12:54 -0400, Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Tim Palmer wrote:
> >
> >> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Jorge Cueto wrote:
> >> >>This newsgroup is starting to be bored ... I guess GNU/Linux has finally
> >> >>won and Windows advocates can't just debate anymore :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I think the real problem with advocacy is that Linux has won.
> >>
> >> Uhm, no. Not even close.
> >>
> >> >What is Microsoft going to do in the next 5 years but die.
> >>
> >> The government can't do anything to them until the appeals proscess is over. By
>then, this whole
> >> UNIX revival thing will halve blone over.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >If people don't think the KDE is a better desktop than W2k then
> >> >what are they going to say when KDE2 is out soon?
> >> >
> >>
> >> That it sucks. Just like the KDE befor it. You can put Windos like environmant
>ontop of UNIX, but
> >> thats' still UNIX under theare,
> >
> >Thank goodness, I like having a stable OS.
>
> You cant make a easy-to-use OS on top of UNIX. Thatts the point. No matter what you
>do, you
> can't get rid of the eccentrictys of UNIX accept by getting rid of UNIX alltoggether.
UNIX is consistant.
The OS with eccentricities is Microsoft bullshit.
>
> >
> >
> >> and you can't get rid of the limmitations of UNIX except by getting
> >> rid of the UNIX. That is why UNIX+KDE fales now just like UNIX without it did,
>and UNIX+KDE2 will
> >> continnue to fale in the future.
> >
> >What sort of limitations? No GPF's or BSOD's?
>
> No surround sound. No coppy-protected DVD. No SBLive support. Limmited video support
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Just face it: UNIX is the PAST. Leave it in the 1970s whear it belongs.
> >>
> >
> >It's also the future.
>
> It cant evan play DVDs. You call that the _future_?
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >I think the Microsoft community realizes that there is no competing with
> >> >Linux as the Linux community comes out with a new version roughly once
> >> >every 6-9 months.
> >>
> >> Yeah, and you accuse Windwos of making peopal upgrade.
> >>
> >
> >But Linux companies don't charge as much, and one can upgrade
> >a few packages at a time?
>
> You can do that on Windos too.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >This in comparison to Windows 2-4 year revisionary
> >> >history,,, with complete writeups from the ground floor up.
> >> >
> >> >Charlie
> >> >
> >
> >Colin Day
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do
.......
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:39:20 +0200
Terry,
You remind me of some of my geek friends - no offence. To me "effective"
means that I can use an Desktop OS for :
- Compiling & communicating business docs, presentations, etc.
- Compiling business architectures, processes, structures, etc.
- Managing projects.
- Managing resources (machines, people, money).
- Technical work (electronic/communication engineering).
- Fast generation of [small] custom db apps to manage resources (preferably
thin clients). [This is probably an area where Linux excel).
I use "tinkerer" in a loose sense. There are many Linux advocates in this
NG who don't have a clue about OS', yet they blow very hard.
James
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:49:36 +0200, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > But this newsgroup will be very boring if everyone
> >> >just praises Linux.
> >> Why ?
> >> Theres a lot to praise, unlike the OS *your* using right now.
> >>
> >I am using W2k Pro right now. Sometimes I use Mandrake 7.1. Admittedly
> >only to tinker with.
> It shows.
>
> > Prefer IE5/OE to Netscape 6 for Linux.
> Me too.
>
> > The latter is
> >functionally crappy and very slow - especially as a newsreader.
> Ewwww, use SLRN, or if you must, Forte Agent.
>
> >
> >W2k has many praises and is certainly miles ahead of any Linux distro -
as
> >an *effective* desktop.
> Nonsense, you don't have a clue about the real meaning of "effective".
>
> You only know what youve been told,and you have accepted the limitations
of
> your OS (Windows), from this place of ignorance you think its "effective".
>
> The only one who misses out, is you, unless you explore and discover other
> ways.
>
> I have come from a Windows background, admittedly the last time I really
> used Windows was 1997.
>
> Has it really changed that much ?
>
> These questions concern Desktop use.
>
> Does it do remote GUI now ?
> Does it allow me to run programs *on* other networked pc's.
> Does it come with thousands of free high quality programs ?
> Does it have a choice of Window Managers ?
> Can I have a WM that does NOT use icons, as I hate icons ?
> Can I run a http, a irc and a ftp server from my *desktop* ?
> Does it include all the C development tools I need, and for free ?
> Will it stay up for weeks between power outages?
> Can I have the 22 Virtual desktops I have now ?
> Can I leave the 14 apps open continuously that are open now, spread
> across the 22 Virtual Desktops ?
>
> This is my idea of "effective", whats yours ?
>
>
> > Hell, I read that W2k even beats Linux in server
> >benchmarks!
> Hell I read that Elle McPherson is a great lover.
>
> > But if Linux is better I would use it. Pity it is not.
> How would you know ?
> Your a self admitted tinkerer with Linux.
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
> **** To reach me, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] ****
> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux, and has been
> up 1 week 14 hours 53 minutes
> ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:40:55 -0400
In article <8ip980$tkp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "tinman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <8ios1s$e6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > And that means...? Data storage media is data storage media. I don't
> > > care if it's a 40GB SCSI disk, a DVD, a Jaz disk or a 1.2MB 5 1/4"
> > > floppy. It's all the same to Linux and Mac. Now, why exactly does it
> > > have to be difficult, er, different on Windows?
> > >
> >
> > Ask the windows folks that, although I'm not at all sure that they are
> > treated differently under windows.
>
> Because they *are* different. Removable and fixed media have some
> fundamental differences.
Actually, I was referring to removable media across the board....
>
> Although I'd imagine the vast majority of "differences" in Windows (eg not
> being able to partition floppy disks) are only at the UI level, rather than
> the OS level.
>
> > My point's just that if floppies and
> > removable hard drives are treated differently, it's only logical that a
> > zip would be treated like a floppy and a jaz would be treated as a
> > removable HD, since that's basically what they are. ('
>
> I wish I had a zip and jaz drive to test it with, but I'm certain I've heard
> of people partitioning Jaz (and Zip) drives under NT.
I've got both, and probably won't get around to this, but if I do I'll pop
you some mail....
--
______
tinman
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:47:08 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
> > > > achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Drestin Black wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Where Linux is superior now (as a server), it is in fact taking
> over.
> > > > >
> > > > > really? how does being in the minority indate "in fact taking
> over."?
> > > >
> > >
> > > And what if the portion of the marketshare that Linux "takes over" is
> that
> > > share that once belonged to other Unixes and the Mac and "Others" - it's
> > > definately not taking over any of the NT share.
> >
> >
> > Then how come it has been stealing marketshare from NT in the webserver
> > department?
> >
> > Hmmmmmmmmm?
>
> can you prove that? I do not think that it has.
you're not paying attention, are you
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Mathias Grimmberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:35:14 GMT
John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:59:22 GMT, Mathias Grimmberger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> You make your own choices. I prefer a windowing environment with
> >> command line options on my servers.
> >
> >Choice is good. I have one more choice though: no windowing environment
> >and only command line tools.
>
> Gotta give you that one. At least you can boot a command prompt from
> the CD now though. :-)
Hmm, I should try that some time. I won't be impressed if it is the same
as the "safe mode, command line only" (or whatever it is called in
english) of the W2K boot menu.
> Fortunately the GUI doesn't take up a lot of memory when not used.
> 16k last time I looked.
Ohh, usage of ressources is not the reason to not do it.
Having a big hunk of additional code potentially executed is. It may
have bugs endangering the stability of the machine. It may even have
security holes.
> >Making the server GUI working the same as the WS one is a good idea.
> >This doesn't mean they had to include DirectX 7 (this is in the server
> >version too I think), any sound support at all, funky OpenGL screen
> >savers. What should that be good for?
>
> Don't have to install the OGL screensavers.
Granted.
> Sound - because some server motherboards actually have sound on them?
Just because the hardware is there shouldn't mean the drivers get
automagically installed. Not on a server anyway (who would have speakers
connected? :-).
> To be honest, I think most of it is because it allows them to test one
> product rather than two. Saves time and money.
Hmm. NT without sound is a supported configuration. I don't like "One
size fits all".
> Actually, X does limit what you can do. Transperancy (like the Window
> fade in, antialiasing etc.) is really hard to do on X.
Of course it does limit your choices. Any API/protocol does.
X is rather old and needs to be careful about consumed network
bandwidth.
> >I feel that the whole ease-of-use issue, UI design, whatnot has
> >degenerated into a marketing instrument a long time ago.
> >
> >Everyone claims they have it, noone defines it and you can't measure it
> >easily.
>
> Actually, they do. Generally you do this by taking a set of users
> with similar experience and putting them in front of the system and
> ask them to use it without manuals. MS, Apple and other major
> companies do this a *lot*. Most Linux distros don't. It shows.
Shure. But MS, Apple and the others AFAIK do not publish their criteria.
Results they publish are tainted in any case. I have no idea what they
actually think and do about usability.
I only see that it seems to be strongly related to some sales droid's
dreams and beginners. IOW must look flashy and try to guess what you may
want to do. If it guesses wrong things get complicated.
> >After having briefly used a Mac some time ago I know that I don't want
> >to touch one again.
>
> :-)
>
> You'll probably like OS X with a good command shell and X11 instead of
> Aqua.
That would be just another Unix and as long as Emacs runs on it...
No mouse with only one button is allowed though. :-)
MGri
--
Mathias Grimmberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Eat flaming death, evil Micro$oft mongrels!
------------------------------
From: Daniel Tryba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server
Date: 21 Jun 2000 21:52:20 GMT
dakota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>Advandage of TS:
:>
:>-It's faster on slower networks.
:>-It has some default encryption.
:>
: X can be piped through an ssh session.
That's exactly what I said in my posting.
Any other in put that might be usefull 8-)
--
Daniel Tryba
------------------------------
From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows98
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:50:02 +0200
Cihl,
Don't take this as personal. Linux critics - even Steve (if you can believe
that) - serve to point out shortcomings, that the Linux community respond
to. In the end it adds value to the Linux development effort. I sincerely
look forward to the day that Linux is an excellent desktop OS.
Regards
James
"Cihl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> James wrote:
> >
> > Ok, some examples :
> >
> > 1) Installation
> > After installation of Redhat 6.2 / Mandrake 7.1 my Rockwell 56K modem is
not
> > properly configured, and my USB Epson 900 and Perfection 610 scanner do
not
> > work. Play around with pnptools and setserial to get the ISA modem card
to
> > work. No problem with W2k pnp. Another way is to set the OS to non-pnp
in
> > BIOS, but this is a hassle for W2k. Linux requires better pnp.
> > Poor system configuration compared to W2k start>settings menu. Eg where
in
> > Linux is there a full and accurate list of detected/configured hardware,
> > well-presented, which can be easily printed.
>
> ISAPnP is in the development kernels and stable. Wait for kernel 2.4.
>
> > 2) Presentation
> > Fonts are ugly. I know it is an old issue (since I first tried Linux in
the
> > mid 90s). I understand that this is a patent X problem. Saw some paper
on
> > the xfree website to improve matters, but no real action. Won't be
> > surprised if it takes another few years to solve this problem.
>
> Do your fonts look ugly? Strange. I'm using X with KDE. My fonts don't
> look ugly at all. I'm using a standard install of Mandrake 7.1.
>
> > 3) Printing
> > After getting my modem to work I browse the internet and read mail with
> > Netscape 4.7. I open a page and then print it (thru /dev/lp0 as
> > /dev/usb/usblp0 does not work). Guess what? It is not wysiwyg or even
the
> > same as the screen fonts, and looks ugly. Not even in colour. Compare
the
> > printout to that produced by IE5. In Linux printing often do not match
the
> > app screen presentation.
>
> This problem was solved recently, although i don't know exactly how
> they did it. I guess it should be in the next series of distributions.
>
> > 4) App setup
> > Eg download Nescape 6 trial, but cannot print from it. In addition it
is
> > very slow. It also does not have a proper setup program that I could
see.
> > With WinApps there is almost always a simple setup.exe to get started.
> > Apps, including system apps, often have their own config files which use
> > incompatible syntax. Many of these config files have to be manually
> > configured, or configured by crude little apps - which were an
afterthought
> > to the app (like apache configuration).
>
> Duh! Netscape 6 is a beta-program. Also, these 'simple setup.exe's
> often spew files all over your system, and very often you can't get
> rid of them.
>
> > 5) Lack of apps
> > In Linux I don't have access to powerful, industry standard, desktop
> > applications. Do I need to elaborate here? The apps bundled with
gnome/kde
> > are really very crude. For example, the newsreader where I cannot
quickly
> > find a particular newsgroup and the sorting is limited (compare this
with
> > OE).
>
> This is not Linux' fault. You should be thankful that those KDE people
> are actually willing to put together an office-suite for you at no
> cost. With most OS's you pay lots of money for those.
>
> > Can you provide me with a list of Linux apps to match the following in
BOTH
> > power and usability :
> >
> > Office 2k
> > Adaptec Easy CD creator
> > Adobe Acrobat
> > AudioCatalyst
> > GetRight
> > Windows Commander (an excellent prog, unlike mc)
> > MS Bookshelf
> > MS Money
> > Napster
> > Visio
> > AutoCAD
> > IE5
> > PGP Desktop
>
> If it's Windows you want, then it's Windows you should use. I could
> name several replacements for all of the above, but then you would
> start whining about them not being the same as in Windows.
>
> > 6) Usability
> > Many small things, like having to specify a DNS when setting up my ISP.
> > Poor error messages, eg "modem is busy" when ppp cannot find
unconfigured
> > cua port. Like getting an error message from linuxconf about my system
> > clock, just after I have installed the system. Constantly getting
garbled
> > output in a terminal (which has to be cleared with ^L).
>
> [Sigh] You ALWAYS have to specify a DNS when setting up your ISP. In
> Windows some installation programs from the ISP's do this for you,
> though.
>
> > 7) Consistency and interface design
> > Inconsistent and poorly designed user interface, and poor utilisation of
> > screen space. Screens/forms appear and function differently from one
app to
> > another. Icons and other widgets are often overly large and
inconsistent.
> > Like not being able to see the full song title in the CD player pick
list.
>
> Interface design is excellent! You can choose your own! The only
> reason you're whining is because it doesn't look EXACTLY like Windows.
> Some people can't even take the *slightest* bit of change.
>
> > 8) Speed
> > X still feels sluggish, and programs load slower than in W2k (I only
have a
> > 200MHz machine), even though I have a TNT video card.
>
> Argumentation == Outdated! XFree86 4.0 is almost as fast as Windows.
> With DRI it even equals the speed of Windows. MediocreSoft needs to
> update it's Linux trolling manual.
>
> > And the list goes on. I can cite many other examples - some small,
others
> > more substantial. In the end however the consumer will be ultimate
judge -
> > and that verdict is currently crystal clear.
>
> Yeah, the standard troll list has some more outdated or false point
> you can copy. I'll bet you've never even had a single look at a recent
> version of Linux.
>
> Remember, if you WinTrolls make a valid point, somebody will usually
> fix it in a matter of a few months. The fonts *were* a valid point,
> ISAPnP *was* a valid point, speed of X *was* a valid point. Interface
> *was* a valid point. Samba *was* slower than NT 4.0. (the last one
> took about 3 hours to fix)
>
> I'm looking forward to your people's next set of rants. We can always
> use some more boosts like that. Just don't keep repeating the old
> shit, if you please.
>
> --
> �I live!�
> �I hunger!�
> �Run, coward!�
> -- The Sinistar
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Windows98
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:55:11 GMT
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:28:26 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>James wrote:
[deletia]
>> Linux is there a full and accurate list of detected/configured hardware,
>> well-presented, which can be easily printed.
>
>ISAPnP is in the development kernels and stable. Wait for kernel 2.4.
ISA is on it's way out and should continue being shoved out.
USB, SCSI and PCI are genuinely PnP. ISAPnP is just a bad hack
of a bus that was obsolete 10 years ago.
[deletia]
>> 3) Printing
>> After getting my modem to work I browse the internet and read mail with
>> Netscape 4.7. I open a page and then print it (thru /dev/lp0 as
>> /dev/usb/usblp0 does not work). Guess what? It is not wysiwyg or even the
>> same as the screen fonts, and looks ugly. Not even in colour. Compare the
>> printout to that produced by IE5. In Linux printing often do not match the
>> app screen presentation.
>
>This problem was solved recently, although i don't know exactly how
>they did it. I guess it should be in the next series of distributions.
This is strictly a Netscape problem.
[deletia]
As far as Netscapes singular PS font being ugly, that's just
yet another unprovable, entirely subjective evalutation.
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
|||
/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:56:14 GMT
On 21 Jun 2000 21:52:20 GMT, Daniel Tryba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>dakota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>Advandage of TS:
>:>
>:>-It's faster on slower networks.
>:>-It has some default encryption.
>:>
>
>: X can be piped through an ssh session.
>
>That's exactly what I said in my posting.
>Any other in put that might be usefull 8-)
The standard ssh client in Unix sets this up by default.
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
|||
/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Windows98
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:03:25 GMT
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:50:02 +0200, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Cihl,
>
>Don't take this as personal. Linux critics - even Steve (if you can believe
>that) - serve to point out shortcomings, that the Linux community respond
>to. In the end it adds value to the Linux development effort. I sincerely
>look forward to the day that Linux is an excellent desktop OS.
Who are you trying to kid? You are mostly recycling bad FUD and
exploiting the fact that Linux is not the "market leader" in your
litany. Your "experience" with linux printing is limited to
Netscape and your application requirements include an odd exclusion
of both a SERIOUS vertical application (CAD) and the very latest
version of the Monopolists Vendorlock-ware office suite.
[deletia]
I'm surprised you didn't throw in a some problems with a
SoundBlaster Live card for good measure...
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
|||
/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
------------------------------
Subject: Re: slashdot is down -again-
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 21 Jun 2000 16:06:05 -0600
"Francis Van Aeken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8ip8td$9hf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Define "down". I frequent Slashdot daily and haven't had a problem in
> > weeks.
>
> When I posted the message, and till 10 minutes later, the domains
> www.slashdot.com and www.slashdot.org could not be found.
>
> Not a big deal, but still a big deal.
That's a DNS issue, no?
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.advocacy) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
