Linux-Advocacy Digest #236, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 16:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Getting used to Linux ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? ("David Dorward")
Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. ("Flacco")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Carl Kaufmann)
Re: Gadget-lover's product suggestion: "Linux Home Server" ("Flacco")
Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (SSunbird)
Re: Here's a switch for a change ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? (dw133)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Quantum Leaper")
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:51:00 +0200
In article <9ga1co$npr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Donal K. Fellows"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>> I think RMS was possessed by Satan when he wrote emacs. Is there any
>>> other explanation?
>>
>> You mean "apart from chemical enhancement" I suppose...
>
> Emacs is beyond chemical influence. Satanic posession is the only
> explanation for such a truly evil creation.
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
Well, I use XEmacs, not GNU. What is the explanation for that then?
(Demonic infighting comes to mind)
Mart
--
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the same to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades
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From: "David Dorward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:49:47 +0100
It seems that on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:48:43 +0100, someone claiming to be
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed this:
> Hi Guys!
>
> Question for the UK linux users here.
>
> Which dialup ISPs are Linux friendly, and which one do you think is the
> best?
Well I've had good results from uklinux (http://www.uklinux.net/) but I
have moved over to an unmetered Surftime account with BT Internet. When
BTi works, it works OK (when the DNS servers are up) when it doesn't work
their support is dreadful. They also keep trying to get me to use their
custom dialer app (guess what - Windows only).
So if you want pay as you go then UK Linux is a good option, if you don't
then avoid BTi and go with another ISP that offers surftime.
> Also can anyone also reccomend a good external modem for Linux? I don't
> want an internal one since they're harder to swap computers with.
Almost any will be fine, I use a Diamond SupreaExpress56e PRO which works
flawlessly (and that's for about 12 hours of continus net use on a week
night and all weekend (several people share the connection thanks to
Smoothwall)
> I know this group well enought to know that i'll get some pretty solid
> advice, and I'd also kindly ask the wintrolls to go away.
>
> If necessary, I can get hold of a Windows box temporarily if I need that
> to register.
Not needed.
--
David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/
The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink
what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. -- Mark Twain
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:03:40 GMT
> Don't know - I use mail.yahoo.com all the time, and the only problems
> I've had are extreme slowness at the middle of the day.
He's talking specifically about Yahoo FinanceVision.
I notice also that FV is up for a "Webby" award, whatever the hell that
is. I dropped them a line and suggested they not embarrass themselves by
awarding it to FinanceVision. (Of course, it might be given based on
votes - not sure...)
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From: Carl Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:03:09 -0400
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> The one that gave me fits was the random number functions... this
>> one program had so many #ifdef statements for different kinds of
>> srand() functions that I shelved that project for the time being.
>>
>
> After reading "Numerical Recipes", I wrote my own ran() and ran2()
> functions, and use them exclusively. You can't really trust the
> ones supplied with any compiler. I can give you the code if you
> want.
>
> Random numbers are too important to be left to chance!
>
> Chris
If you really care about (psuedo-)random numbers, you won't use the NR
algorithms either. Try this instead:
http://ftp.uni-bremen.de/aminet/dirs/aminet/dev/c/BestRandom.readme
and look up George Masaglia. The man is obsessed with RNGs.
--
Carl the Data Pimp
"Statistical thinking will one day be as necessay for efficient
citizenship as the ability to read and write." - H.G. Wells
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gadget-lover's product suggestion: "Linux Home Server"
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:05:48 GMT
> Unfortunately things are headed just as much in the opposite direction.
> Producers - of hardware, software, and content - don't mind making
> product improvements when they have to, but not if it means allowing you
> to skip commercials, easily switch to competing products, or pay for
> information only once - or not at all. Why should Sony's content
> division create information accessible on any old device when it can
> instead lock you into Sony's hardware division? And why should the media
> gods allow some nobody to make up their own DVD player and pipe video
> all over the place? Not when the DMCA can stop it. It's not like some
> little newcomer is going to come along with enough money to take over
> the industry by catering to the customer's needs.
>
> So yes, it would work, and no, it won't happen.
Are you saying that a system like this would be illegal under the DMCA?
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:55:29 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g8sba$913$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:jWLV6.13307$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Matt, if you want to get into a pissing match about bugs, thats your
> > perogative, but all products have them, and the 60 or so security
patches
> > for Red Hat 7.0 are a good example.
>
> How about those who don't use Redhat?
Most bugs in RH are also in other distro's, with the exception of ones where
RH has put beta software into their releases.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:00:17 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > Matt, if you want to get into a pissing match about bugs, thats your
> > perogative, but all products have them, and the 60 or so security
patches
> > for Red Hat 7.0 are a good example.
> >
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9g6jet$f7r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> The issue is not about how many bugs, but the fact that Microsoft proclaim
> Close Source solutions are more secure
Where exactly is this proclamation?
>, and here is an example of something that
> doesn't live up to the Microsoft anit-OpenSource mantra.
I highly doubt MS would claim that OpenSource software has more bugs. Bugs
are a function of complexity, the more complex your code, the more bugs
there are likely to be per 1000 lines of code.
> Maybe Bill
> Gates should get back into his little think tank and come up with REAL
> VALID arguments against opensource instead of throwing retoric in the
> wheels of something that WILL HAPPEN, the success of OpenSource, no
> matter how much Microsoft wishes that it fails.
Nobody said anything about it failing. It won't, but it won't become a
massive success either (IMO). At least until certain things change.
MS's arguments about OpenSource are primarily based upon business reasons,
not nebulous ones like you claim.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:17:48 +0200
>
> Since when has accuracy or truth mattered to Netcraft?
>
Since when did it to you?
Peter
--
If Windows is the answer then it probably has been a stupid question
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:14:48 +0200
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Who cares what you run in your home. We're talking about
> real businesses making critical decisions that effect their
> bottom line. It appears that they don't chose Linux.
>
Yeah, yeah, Chad. By your definition IBM is no *real* business.
Moron.
Peter
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a
reason. By all means, do not use a hammer (in an IBM manual)
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:03:51 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Jon Johansan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > T. Max Devlin wrote:
> > > > > > Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001
> > 14:08:35
> > > > > >>Actually, the reason I want net worth is to find things out
about
> > other
> > > > > >>companies.
> > > > > >>I sometimes post stuff that would be much more interesting if I
> > could
> > > > add
> > > > > >>small tidbits like, "X could buy Y for pocket change".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, Ayende, if you don't mind the advice, it would just
make
> > you
> > > > > > look foolish.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, TMax, the one person looking foolish is you.
> > > > > Ayende is advocating Windows, and he has reasons to do it.
> > > > > You may find those reasons invalid, but he does it in a quite
pleasant
> > > > > way, very different from Chad Myers and Jon Johanson.
> > > >
> > > > Pleasant or not pleasant (from your point of view) doesn't
invalidate
> > things
> > > > Chad or I may say. I don't think I'm unpleasant but I realize that I
am
> > > > saying things that people who hate MS and it's products won't like
to
> > hear.
> > > > And sometimes I put linux down too and that would be unpleasant to
those
> > > > that love it. But, again, that doesn't invalidate the facts.
> > > >
> > > > > He actually knows what he is talking about.
> > > >
> > > > I take offense at that however, I do know what I'm talking about -
you
> > may
> > > > just not like what you hear...
> > > >
> > > > > You, on the other hand, tell us all how vastly superior linux is
> > compared
> > > > > to the stuff MS sells. Yet you do not use linux, you use windows.
> > > > > Seems to be a little contradiction, doesn�t it?
> > > >
> > > > So why not fling your "unpleasant" comments at him then? At least we
use
> > the
> > > > products we advocate religiously.
> > >
> > > Hey, when is MS gonna fix VC6.0??
> > > I've been waiting for over a year and still no fixes.
> >
> > Are you not aware of the 5 service packs? SP5 was released about 6
months
> > ago.
>
> No... which link to download these service packs. I'd hate to throw
> away my investment and start over with Metrowerks tools.
You can find most things at the Visual C++ web page at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/
Under "Product Support" choose "Product Updates".
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:05:23 -0500
"Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <tVAV6.791$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >> Try reading my post Charlie.
> >
> > Impossible. That would require intelligence... something which Charlie
> > is devoid of.
>
> That wasn't very nice. Just because Charlie chooses to be rude doesn't
> imply that he is unintelligent, as you have aptly demonstrated for us just
> now.
It's not so much that he's unintelligent as he's thick headed and will not
change any belief he has no matter what the evidence. For example, his
belief that HP has been shipping HP9000's with the Itanium for over a year.
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From: SSunbird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:28:58 -0500
mike wrote:
> >huh. five letters. i wonder.
> I'm guessing frans.
it did say polygamous and not polyamorous.
Ptsb
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:12:11 -0500
"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:37:42 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:12:04 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:9frbdu$5ku4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > He's demanding to talk to the store manager because Windows wiped
out
> >> >> > all of his data which contained some kind of a web based research
> >> >> > project (best I could gather in between screams).
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd like to have been there and heard the manager try to explain
that
> > not
> >> >> only was his data permanently gone with no chance of compensation
but
> > he
> >> >> couldn't have a refund on the software because he agreed to the
> > no-refunds
> >> >> clause in the EULA when he installed the product. - but he could
have
> >> >> another copy of the same product in exchange.
> >> >
> >> > There is no such clause in the EULA, in fact MS offers a 30 day money
> > back
> >> > guarantee on retail software.
> >>
> >> which if you try to collect (on the os that came shipped with your PC)
> >> they refuse, say that you have to collect from the manufacturer of the
> >> PC.
> >
> > The OS that ships with the PC is an OEM, not a retail copy.
> >
> > If you try to bring back your AC Delco radio, I'm sure Delco will likely
> > laugh at you.
>
> In the windows EULA, it says that if you don't agree to it, you should
> return it for a refund, which M$ refuses to pay. If I bought a radio
> which turned out to be a piece of sh!t, I'd return it, but I can't seem
> to do the same thing with windows, why is that Eric?
Because your OEM won't accept refunds. You did not buy Windows from a
retail outlet, you bought it from an OEM which has agreed to absolve MS from
support issues, including returns, in exchange for better pricing. If your
OEM doesn't the the return, then that's their fault. MS has nothing to do
with it.
MS does accept returns of retail bought copies.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:44:48 +0200
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> From what I gather, Matthew is a Kiwi.
>
> What is it with Kiwis that they are so self
> important? They are way worse than even Brits.
> They list New Zealand along with the US, Britain,
> Chinda, and the former Soviet Union, as if
> New Zealand is larger than just that little island.
>
NZ is *two* large islands, not one small.
It is certainly a lot bigger than Britain.
But who would have expected you to know
something (anything)
Peter
--
Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways
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From: dw133 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:10:22 +0100
Hello, I'm back :)
spicerun wrote:
> =
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Burkhard W=F6lfe=
l"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> =
> > Did anyone of you try out ns6.1 preview yet?
> =
> Why? Mozilla-0.9.1 works better....and I'm confident enough to say tha=
t
> even before even seeing ns6.1...... if ns6.0 was any indication (The mo=
zilla
> version out then was even better than ns6.0 when it was released).
It really pisses me off when people who obviously haven't got two clues
to rub together talk about something they know nothing about. In short:
a) NS 6.1 beta1 is based on Mozilla 0.9.1, so how can 0.9.1 work any
better?
b) NS 6.1 final could well end up being based on Mozilla 1.0
c) If Netscape die, Mozilla probably will too (Netscape make up 90%+ of
the work on Mozilla)
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From: The Queen of Cans and Jars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:07:23 -0700
"Christopher L. Estep" wrote:
> Or are you so *scared* of the Big Bad Bill that you refuse to touch any
> computer with a DVD-ROM drive (most of which are running some version of
> Windows)?
Mac OS and OS/2 Warp 4.5 also support DVD, I believe. We are not
afraid of Bill Gates. We just hate evil slimeball Mafioso. Why do
you defend scumbag crooks? Which other criminals do you defend?
>
> However, the pissing contest over storage formats (egged on by the Motion
> Picture Association of America's concern over copying of DVD-sourced
> material) has kept recordable DVD in the professional/studio marketplace for
> right now.
I suppose you know that MS is the King of the Pissers?
>
> (The *same* hting happened with CD-R and CD-RW technology in the early
> 1990's. A pissing contest over formatting standards for CD-R media, along
> with the concerns of the Recording Industry Association of America over
> music CD cloning, kept CD recording out of consumer hands for *five years*
> after the first professional CD-R drives were introduced.)
You condemn pissing contests, then you defend the King of
Pissers...why?
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:28:27 -0400
Burkhard W�lfel wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > drsquare wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:15:43 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > (Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > >> U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
> > > >
> > > >Are theses AIDS statistics or HIV disease statistics?
> > > >Do you know the difference?
> > >
> > > No, he doesn't.
> >
> > Waht part of "U.S. AIDS CASES" do you not understand?
>
> What part of the word "reference", or "citation" if you want, do you not
> understand?
What part of U.S. Center for Disease Control did you not comprehend?
> I guess you just know how to ctrl-c'n'ctrl-v.
> In the given form your "references" are not a basis for discussion. They
> are assumptions.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >> EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
> > > >> Men who have sex with men - 326,051
> > > >
> > > >What kind of sex is this? Oral, anal, what.
> > > >Are these new or old cases?
> > >
> > > He doesn't know. The people who came up with the statistics don't
> > > know. That is why the statistics are worthless.
> >
> > They tell us that Gays infect each other FAR FAR FAR more frequenty
> > than heterosexual.
> >
> > >
> > > >> Injecting drug use - -
> > > >> MALE 126,889 -
> > > >> FEMALE 46,804 -
> > > >> TOTAL - 173,693
> > > >
> > > >Can you tell us why the number for men is higher for men Here?
> > >
> > > No, he can't. Neither can the people who came up with the statistics.
> > >
> > > >> Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
> > > >> Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
> > > >> MALE 4,663 -
> > > >> FEMALE 248 -
> > > >> TOTAL - 4,911
> > > >
> > > >.. these people have AIDS?
> > >
> > > It doesn't say. The statistics are worthless.
> > >
> > > >> Risk not reported or identified - -
> > > >> MALE 41,037 -
> > > >> FEMALE 15,533 -
> > > >> TOTAL - 56,572
> > > >>
> > > >> - center for disease control, 1999
> > > >
> > > >Without some more information thee numbers are useless, and really dont
> > > >say anything.
> > >
> > > Looks like Kuntis loses again. Unfortuanetly, I had to killfile him
> > > after he pasted all those pointless statistics over and over again...
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:38:36 +1200
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > You don't perchance think that they just threw that page up on a server
that
> > Xtra already had? Is that in the realms of possibility?
>
>
> They also could have setup a make-shift server running Windows 2000
> Server. One also must remember what they use as their internal servers
> vs. their relationship between EDS and Microsoft.
Why setup a makeshift server when you already have one to do the job?
>
> Don't you also find it a bit of a coincidence that when Tranz Rail moved
> their sever farm from UNIX to NT, the number of accidents and deaths in
> the rail yards increase rapidly, even though the amount of haulage has
> stayed constant?
>
No. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that little money was
being put into regular maintenance? Think about it for a while.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:40:02 GMT
"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <E5RT6.62174$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Christopher L. Estep wrote:
> >
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 27 May 2001
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> [...]
> >> >> I don't think any of the sock puppets have ever paid for W2K. They
get
> >> >> it for free, and then babble on about how great it is. Guffaw.
> >> >>
> >> >Sorry turkey, me and 5999 other people got Windows 2K for FREE from
> >> >Microsoft... The problem with Linux is it doesn't support my DVD,
and
> >that
> >> >makes it unusable to me...
> >>
> >> Nice catch; you almost ended up making the entirely UNLIMITED free
> >> access to Linux (something W2K becomes a pitiful alternative when
> >> considering) too obvious. The use of DVD support was slick.
> >>
> >> Ultimately, I think DVD support on a PC is really pretty stupid.
> >> Computers SUCK as DVD players, and CD-ROM is still the de facto
> >> standard. If you've got money to burn on stupid toys, it might be
worth
> >> it. But, only if you got the W2K for free, obviously.
> >>
> >
> >Have you *ever* used a computer as a DVD player?
> >
> >You emphatically state computers suck as DVD players...have you ever used
> >one?
> >
> >Or are you so *scared* of the Big Bad Bill that you refuse to touch any
> >computer with a DVD-ROM drive (most of which are running some version of
> >Windows)?
> >
> >CD-ROM is the de-facto standard for DATA because the DVD Recording Forum
got
> >into a needless pissing contest over format standards.
> >(The same thing actually slowed down the introduction of the affordable
> >CD-RW drive.).
> >
> >If it weren't for that, even the CD-RW drive manufacturers admit that
*any*
> >of the competing DVD recording formats (DVD-RAM, DVD-R, DVD-R+W, DVD-RW)
> >could kill CD-R *or* CD-RW on a cost/megabyte of stoage basis alone.
> >However, the pissing contest over storage formats (egged on by the Motion
> >Picture Association of America's concern over copying of DVD-sourced
> >material) has kept recordable DVD in the professional/studio marketplace
for
> >right now.
> >
> >(The *same* hting happened with CD-R and CD-RW technology in the early
> >1990's. A pissing contest over formatting standards for CD-R media,
along
> >with the concerns of the Recording Industry Association of America over
> >music CD cloning, kept CD recording out of consumer hands for *five
years*
> >after the first professional CD-R drives were introduced.)
> >
> >Also, merely enabling CD-R/RW support in Linux requires making changes to
> >your kernel. I know of *no* distribrution that enables SCSI emulation
> >(which all Linux CD-R/RW programs require) by default. Now here comes
> >Microsoft (and Roxio) with *on-by-default* CD-R/RW (and DVD-RAM) support
in
> >Windows XP. You can hook your device up any way that it supports;
> >ATAPI/IDE, SCSI of several flavors, USB, FireWire, even parallel port!
Even
> >easier, you can simply *drag and drop* from a source drive to your blank
> >disk (or even drag-and-drop in advance and do the actual burn at your
> >leisure).
> >
> >Microsoft did *not* claim to have the only operating system that supports
> >CD-R/RW. However, Windows XP *is* the *only* operating system to have
> >*genuinely usable from day one* CD-R/RW (and DVD-RAM) support.
> >
> >Also, here's a cold hard fact: DVD drives for computers *still* cost less
> >than standalone DVD players for the home. (DVD players for the home
*still*
> >cost above $200 US, while those for computers are about half that.)
> >
> >Christopher L. Estep
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Sony playstation PS2 costs less than that, and plays to a TV screen
> properly. Cold hard fact. And you can play games on it (hey, just
> like XP, only *much* cheaper).
>
I would rather have a GameCube, its cheaper.
> Linux has DVD support for several drives, details are in the HOWTO.
> This has been available since before XP had a day one.
>
True, if you want DATA only, I want to play movies.
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