Linux-Advocacy Digest #888, Volume #27 Sun, 23 Jul 00 11:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen) ("Slava Pestov")
Re: Java-programmability -- was Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen) ("Slava
Pestov")
Re: Leninist USEFUL IDIOT denies reality, attempts a smear campaign (Loren Petrich)
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... (Loren Petrich)
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... (Loren Petrich)
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... (Loren Petrich)
Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :( (Steve)
Re: The real faux paus of the U.S. military... (was Re: The Failure of the USS
Yorktown) (Steve)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Austin Ziegler)
Re: The Failure of the USS Yorktown ("MH")
Re: MS advert says Win98 13 times less reliable than W2k ("MH")
Re: Why use Linux? ("MH")
Re: Linux ap't vs. Micorosoft (was: Re: If Microsoft starts renting apts (was: If
Micr (Andres Soolo)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (phil hunt)
Re: If Microsoft starts renting apts (was: If Microsoft starts renting apps) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm ("Gonzo")
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From: "Slava Pestov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:10:48 +1000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Slava Pestov wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > Slava Pestov wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > Slava Pestov wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you implying that you have already lost all possible
>> >> >> arguments?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yet another person who doesn't know the difference between an
>> >> > implication and an inference.
>> >>
>> >> Jumping into discussion again, eh Marty?
>> >
>> > Not at all, Slava.
>>
>> Denials don't change the truth, Marty.
>
> Nor does pontification.
Correct, but irrelevant, given that I have not been engaging in
"pontification".
>> > Meanwhile I see
>>
>> You see incorrectly.
>
> Yet another example of your pontification.
Evidence, please.
>
>> Open your eyes, Marty.
>
> Impossible.
On what basis do you claim it is impossible for you to open your
eyes?
>
>> > you have failed to note the difference between an implication and an
>> > inference.
>>
>> On the contrary.
>
> Yet another example of your pontification.
How ironic, coming from someone who claims to be unable to open
their eyes.
>
>> > No surprise there.
>>
>> See above.
>
> Above still holds no surprise for me.
I wasn't trying to surprise you, Marty.
> Even moreso this time around as I
> have read it already.
Irrelevant.
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From: "Slava Pestov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Java-programmability -- was Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451736 (Tholen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:12:54 +1000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Slava Pestov wrote:
>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jacques Guy
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > there is a series of algorithms, published in Russia in the
>> >> > 1960-70s
> [snip]
>
>> None of these algorithms can program in Java, hence I am not a bot :-)
>
> All can be implemented in Java of course, therefore you ARE a bot.
>
> The code for a few was published, and Sukhotin used ALGOL. We
> implemented the text-segmentation one in Simula 67 about
> 23 years ago at ANU. The first, the vowel-recognition algorithm,
> I implemented in C, later Turbo-Pascal, and G. Sassoon implemented it
> in BASIC (!) for an article in Cryptologia. Now, if *that* can't be
> implemented in Java -- or Z80 assembler for that matter... Therefore, a
> bot you are.
You erronously presume I implied that the algorithms cannot be
implemented in Java. What I meant was that none of the algorithms
can output *Java programs*, which is something which I do a lot.
>> And I think Dresden mispelt "pornographer" as "programmer".
>
> Even more creative than Old Tim, our young Dresden, isn't he?
You erronously presume that Tim Palmer is "old".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Leninist USEFUL IDIOT denies reality, attempts a smear campaign
Date: 23 Jul 2000 10:16:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:
[comments about Mr. Kulkis residing amidst birch trees...]
>> Are you unable to laugh at yourself?
>Merely noting that your only way to counter my observations of
>historical
>fact is to dismiss them as fairy tales.
>Tell me, was it a fairy tale when Stalin had 30,000,000 people murdered?
OF COURSE NOT.
>> >Belorus is TIGHTLY allied with Russia, and they have been negotiating
>> >UNIFICATIONS.
>> Belarus maybe, but the Ukraine?
>When did I ever alledge that Ukraine is allied with Russia.
I think I ought to have made it clearer that Russia will have a
hard time dominating the Ukraine, though it may well have a much easier
time dominating most other former Soviet republics. I suspect that to be
the case because the Ukraine is (1) very populous and (2) a bit close to
western Europe. The Baltic states are too small, and the Central Asian
republics are too distant.
In fact, what had happened to the Soviet empire might be called
"Brest-Litovsk II", after the WWI treaty in which Lenin gave Germany
Finland, the Baltic states, eastern Poland, and the Ukraine. This is one
reason I find Mr. Kulkis's conspiracy theories *extremely* unconvincing --
the former Soviet empire is in too much disarray for it to be some sort of
fakery. For example, I managed to dig up a page containing some *serious*
research into the reunification of Germany, and it is clear from it that
the Soviet Union had *lost* Germany, that it could not stop the former
East Germany from being part of NATO:
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/96winter/boll.htm
>> >Explain why they impose Leftist speech codes on our campuses.
>> Like what do you mean?
>The ones that keep getting struck down by the US Supreme Court.
>University of Michigan
>University of California at Berkely
>University of Minnesota
How are they "leftist"?
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came...
Date: 23 Jul 2000 10:23:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:
>> >> The birch trees I have in mind are John Birch trees :-)
>> >Are you implying that there is a birchy-man hiding under our collective
>> >beds?
>> No, that your views are childish, Red-under-the-bed conspiracy theories.
>Why did the Chinese Communists contribute over $3,000,000 to the
>Democrats?
First, that issue is *TOTALLY* separate from the question of
whether the Communist are lurking behind the scenes in the former Soviet
empire.
And I fail to see how they are any different from any other
influence-buyers, if that is indeed the case. Why not gripe about George
W. Bush and how easily he is bought -- and how much he rents out the
Texas Governor's Mansion for. Or is it OK because he charges 10 times as
much as President Clinton did for *his* official residence?
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came...
Date: 23 Jul 2000 10:24:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8ldqp0$2qr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) writes:
>>>> The birch trees I have in mind are John Birch trees :-)
>>>Are you implying that there is a birchy-man hiding under our collective
>>>beds?
>> No, that your views are childish, Red-under-the-bed conspiracy theories.
>If someone is a communist, then they should be proud of it... That doesn't
>mean that everyone will agree with that person's philosophy (I certainly
>don't.) When someone has strong self-doubt, and won't admit to their
>beliefs, then at least one of their problems is within themselves.
>People whom I have known and are communists are most fun to discuss
>issues with when they are honest about their beliefs. Alot of the
>bad feelings that occur in discussion is when one side or another
>isn't being forthright, and people don't say what they really mean
>or believe.
?????
What's your point?
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came...
Date: 23 Jul 2000 10:26:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Petrich is the classic crypto-commie.
To a resident of certain groves of birch trees, maybe.
And yes, I mean John Birch trees :-)
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Miserable weekend with Windows :(
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:45:45 GMT
Actually the internet sharing part is working ok
now, finally, and after many reboots, it's file
sharing that is not working.
Works between the Win98SE pc's and the Win95
laptop fine every time.
Fails most times between the Win98 machines with a
sharing violation message or a "this resource no
longer available" message.
I spent a sleepless night thinking about this
mess.
Steven
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:04:26 GMT, Cihl
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What you're saying, basically, is that you spent the entire weekend
>trying to get Windows 98 SE to share an internet connection. The
>problem is: Windows9x was never designed to do anything like this.
>Microsoft just slapped on this functionality afterwards. You can't
>really expect it to work correctly all the time, or at least not yet.
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From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The real faux paus of the U.S. military... (was Re: The Failure of the
USS Yorktown)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:48:29 GMT
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 02:56:37 -0400, "2 + 2"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What it boils down to is the conservative nature
of NASA and also the fact that technology was
rapidly advancing so by the time these
spacecraft's actually went on missions, the
technology was outdated.
Even so the outdated technology was a proven thing
and rock solid.
Could you imagine NASA running Windows 3.0 on the
shuttle?
Steven
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:48:42 -0400
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy;=20
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>> "T. Max Devlin" escribi=F3:
>>>> Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>>>>Copyright law has ZILCH to do with functionality, merely the expressio=
n
>>>>>-- which means that programs are *written*.
>>>> Which is the reason it is important to realize that they are not
>>>> "written" in the way that *any other* intellectual property is, becaus=
e
>>>> they are functional works of design and engineering, not merely
>>>> literature. Not even literature, for that matter.
>>> Think: cooking recipes. Functional literature. It either produces
>>> a piece of bread after being interpreted by a person, or it doesn't.
>> Good example, too. It turns out that recipes are only partially
>> copyrightable. The list of ingredients cannot be copyrighted, but the
>> cooking instructions can be.
> I think the critical difference between this and software is whether the
> purchaser can use cooking instructions without a list of ingredients,
> and still expect it to produce a piece of edible bread.
Usually not. Most recipes say "mix flour, salt, and baking soda..." and
not "mix two cups flour, 1 tbsp salt, and ...".
> Cooking instructions are intellectual work. A list of ingredients is
> a work of functional physical requirements: engineering. The
> functional work is not copyrightable.
> One might argue that a program which uses a library is simply a list of
> ingredients, not cooking instructions.
Only shows your ignorance. I'm not sure why you insist on believing thatall
programs that call libraries are merely stubs for said libraries.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Failure of the USS Yorktown
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:52:52 -0400
My god. Doesn't anyone remember how long ago this happened? Not only that,
you people are still distorting the facts of the incident. I can't believe
anyone really still cares enough about this drivel to perpetuate it..on and
on and on and on and on an......
The state of Linux advocacy.. chilling.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS advert says Win98 13 times less reliable than W2k
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:07:46 -0400
> > It is an abstract ala carte kind of system. It is
> > not under the thumb of a single vendor who's primary objective
> > is market dominance rather than technical excellence.
>
> So?
>
> I mean that seriously. So? As a user, I don't really give a hot goddamn
> who owns it, builds it, sells it, maintains it... as long as it does what
I
> need and I can get support and updates for it. Can I with Windows? Yes.
> Can I with Linux? Yes. Voila; it's instantly irrelevant.
You just don't get it, do you? You can't argue with zealots. They're
illogical to the point of insanity. That's why they're in here, arguing like
monkeys over a banana. While if they were half of what they claim to be,
they would be coding or administering or ***king their wife or girlfriend.
Give it up. It's hopeless. Linus used to come in here once in a while. He
doesn't much anymore. Why?
Ever heard that old saying "you stand around sh*t long enough, you'll start
to smell like it"?
Linux advocacy has deteriorated to the point that 99% of Linux users don't
advocate Linux advocacy.. that's the truth. Ask around a college or Linux
shop. No self respecting computer professional does advocacy. Of these, the
Linux brand is by far the worst. Same people, same illogical arguments, same
hype and BS. Year after year. The thing that really amazes me is that they
_still_ fail to see that you don't advocate one thing by tearing down
another. It makes what you advocate seem suspect at the very least. Ah
well...I do love a parade. And it IS amusing to read through some of this
inanity from time to time to reaffirm my belief that a good deal of the
human race are hamsters running in place.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why use Linux?
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:26:13 -0400
> >Yes, Windows 95 and 98 - and even 2K - out of the box have bugs. Last I
> >heard, so does Linux. And BeOS, and MacOS, and...
> >
> >So what's your point?
>
> Point is, a) that yes, they all come out with bugs out of the box, but
> Microsoft is the only one that will gladly charge you and make you wait
> for the next release to have tose bugs fixed. and b) Windows has a *lot*
> more bugs in the software than the other systems. Hell, if you were
> Microsoft, would you willingly put out an OS that's supposed to be stable
> and secure that has 63,000 bugs in it? I wouldn't, but maybe that's the
> logical side of my brain working. :)
No, that's just the illogical COLA mentality working. This has been gone
over and over and over, and here we are, still spouting ignorance as if it
were the truth. The 63000 figure was an internal memo that represented the
number of things that many people had contributed to in an effort to debug
the product. Most of these are cosmetic. Most are not reproducible under
normal operation. You really think any OS goes out the door without MANY
known issues? Please. The fact that there were 63000 tells me that at least
people were looking and writing it down! Some stuff slips through the cracks
at Red Hat that REALLY makes your head spin. Check into it.
Your obviously weak hype is meant to make someone think: (1), you know what
you're talking about, and (2). that this product is SO bad, that it will
fall down as soon as it's implemented. Now, we know #2 isn't true, the
product has been adopted in the millions, and I don't hear that many people
screaming, do you? So that leaves #1. The defense rests on # 1, for sure
your Honor.
As for "making you update -$$" or some such nonsense. No sh** Sherlock. Ever
heard of stock holders and bottom lines? It's a capitalist economy. Get used
to it. Just because MS is good at it is no reason to cry. Besides, all the
Linux distros are just as guilty as MS when it comes to bugs. I've got core
files galore after ANY install of ANY Linux distro. Half of the stuff just
doesn't work. Do you hear me whining about it? No, I just accept it as part
and parcel of the state of software today and move on. I also choose to use
the best web browsing - email - news reader software that I can use.
Windows provides that, hands down. If I want to program, I fire up my Linux
box. Simple really.
There really is no crime in using both, you know. I realize many in here
have to preface that they use windows because: They have to, they're at
work, their wife doesn't want the complexity of Linux, on an on. You don't
hear me say that. I use windows because I like some of the things it
provides me. There, easy enough to say. I don't hide that fact. I don't hide
the fact that I use Linux either. What, I'm supposed to feel ashamed because
I use windows? Why do so many Linux users have that attitude? What is the
obvious inadequacy they are attempting (badly) to cover up? Life is short,
drop the zealotry, come back to planet earth, and get something done.
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux ap't vs. Micorosoft (was: Re: If Microsoft starts renting apts
(was: If Micr
Date: 23 Jul 2000 14:39:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
Well, that was at least funny even though it wasn't too factual.
Keep up the good work :-)
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The onset and the waning of love make themselves felt
in the uneasiness experienced at being alone together.
-- Jean de la Bruyere
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:31:11 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 22 Jul 2000 19:14:38 +0000, Graham Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In gnu.misc.discuss, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes:
>
>> What if an employee sets up on his own, as a competitor to his former
>> employer, using contacts he gained in his last job?
>
>Is that necessarily a bad thing?
No; I'm arguing the opposite, in fact.
>It may be that the contacts became
>clients of the former employer because of the employee. In such
>circumstances, is it wrong that the employee takes some of "his"
>clients with him? One example might be a hair stylist, where many
>people patronise a particular salon because they like the work of the
>particular stylist.
--
***** Phil Hunt *****
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.bill-gates,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: If Microsoft starts renting apts (was: If Microsoft starts renting apps)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:53:13 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.fan.bill-gates;
>
>
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.fan.bill-gates;
>> >> All of this discussion about Microsoft renting apps with .NET
>> >> got me to thinking...what are we facing if, in fact, Microsoft
>> >> does start renting apts???
>> >>
>> >> Microsoft Apts 2000
>> >>
>> >> WINDOW
>> >>
>> >> No apartment may ever have more than one window. Residents might
>> >> forget which window they were looking out of and get confused.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Hilarious! Where'd it come from?
>
>I wrote it.
Great job. Very entertaining and insightful.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Gonzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:49:01 -0500
Two things to add: Get a three button PS/2 mouse as Linux uses it heavily.
Also, a cheap ESS based ISA or PCI card should work great with any dist of
Linux. I recommend a cheap ESS Solo-1 PCI card. It's only a simple stereo
card but it is well supported by all OSs.
Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8lde74$t5j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Cihl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Motherboard:
> : Anything with an Intel-chipset is perfect. Others work well, too, but
> : i'd test it first, like VIA-chipsets for example.
>
> Watch for BIOSes though. The cheaper ones have funky BIOSes that can make
LILO
> not work right. This is why I use Loadlin.
>
> : CPU:
> : Anything will do. For price, i'd choose a Celeron.
>
> The K-6 works nicely too. If you go away from Intel and are willing to go
with
> a clone, you can get a good deal. The Celeron is a stripped-down Pentium,
> lacking cache memory. Allegedly "celeron" means "cvastrated one" in Latin.
> Urban legends, anyone?
>
> : Memory:
> : Something in the 64 to 128 MB range will do nicely.
>
> Linux will run on a lot less, but more memory is better. Memory is cheap,
so
> go for it, and the same CPU will go all the faster.
>
> : Video:
> : There are many, many card that work well in Linux. Some brands support
> : Linux better than others. Seek these out, like ATI/3DFX/nVidia and
> : such.
>
> This is one where you want to consult with the associated HOWTO file.
> Otherwise, go with 16 colour. Finding a good video card shouldn't be hard
at
> all though.
>
> : Harddisk:
> : No significant problems. The minimum you can buy today is 10 Gigs, and
> : that'll do nicely. If it's UDMA-66, test it first. Full UDMA-66
> : support is in kernel 2.4. (Remember that no other OS's have
> : UDMA66-support out of the box either. The new Linux will also have
> : UDMA-100 support)
>
> I'd go with below the 8.4 gig "limit" since I don't have expierence with
> above, at least not yet. Some BIOSes (older ones of course) may not
support
> over 8.4 gig. A 6 gig model is awful cheap nowadays. That should do for a
> beginner.
>
> : CD-ROM:
> : The cheapest IDE-cdrom will do.
>
> Yep! So long as it's IDE, it will work great. Nearly any one will do.
>
> : Network?
> : Cheapest NE-2000 compatible card is good enough. PCI preferably,
> : IsaPnP sucks, IMHO.
>
> I use NE2000 myself, and I consider it my standard. The ISA cards work
fine.
> The PCI cards will be easier to set up as you pre-know the interrupt.
>
> : Modem?
> : Watch out for this one, unless you get them an external one. Many
> : internal PCI-modems are brainless ones. (Windows only, Resource hog,
> : avoid!)
>
> I only use external modems. It's the only way to totally prevent Winmodem
> problems. I simply don't trust ANY internal modems anymore.
>
> : Mouse:
> : Cheapest you can find. It's gotta be a cheap computer, no need to lift
> : the price over a mouse. :-) PS/2, USB, doesn't matter, it all works.
>
> A PS/2 mouse works perfectly. So a cheap one will be fine. Watch out if
you
> are a lefty though. To my knowledge, you can't config a mouse lefty.
>
> : Printer:
> : Watch out for Winprinters, like HP720C and such. Other than that,
> : almost all Epson and HP printers work well. (Watch out for Lexmark.
> : They're cheap, but have very expensive cartridges. They break down
> : easily as well)
>
> This is a case for consulting with the printing HOWTO file. Watching for
> printers can reduce headaches.
>
> : Scanner:
> : All SCSI-devices will do, but they're more expensive. Wait for kernel
> : 2.4 and pick a USB-scanner. Most Parport-scanners have a proprietary
> : protocol which only works with Windows. (Microsoft is in court for
> : things like this, isn't it?)
>
> Yeah, SCSI is an expensive habit.
>
> : Did i leave anything out?
>
> You left out sound cards. These buggers can be a real pain in the arse,
even
> with Windows. No wonder you left out that annoying item.
>
> --
> DANGER: Charles Darwin is the lifeguard of the gene pool. Swim at own
risk.
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