Linux-Advocacy Digest #233, Volume #28 Fri, 4 Aug 00 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE2 Yahooo!!! ("Rich C")
Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:52:20 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:44:41 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >Precisely. Once they realize that all of the "government goodies"
> >don't come for free, they will start looking at how parasitic the
> >bureaucracies of all these programs are.
>
> By the time services are cut to the point where everyone can afford your
> "head tax", not only will you have no public hospitals or schools, you
> will have no law enforcement, no courts, and no prisons. Oh, and no defence
> budget either.
Wrong. When did I ever make a case for the government living
ONLY on a head tax? I have ALWAYS stated that it must be
accompanied by a sales tax.
>
> >As long as you don't overly burdent the people with taxes, there will
> >be plenty of jobs that cover everyone's needs.
>
> Hardly a supportable assertion. Low unemployment levels are *NOT* causally
> related to low taxes.
low taxes breed low interest rates. Low interest rates lead to
low unemployment.
>
> >> In Mr. Kulkis's ideal world, there would be none, because not
> >> having much money is proof that one is not worthy of any.
> >
> >Have you ever considered the possibility of getting a job and EARNING
> >MONEY
>
> ... even if it's not enough money to pay for a hospitakl visit
ever hear of "insurance" the smart way to buy insurance is to
purchase a policy with a large deductable, and pay the small
bills out of your own pocket.
> or afford the "head tax" ?
If you can't afford the head tax, then you are a parasite.
>
> >"Ooops, I don't know how I got pregnant--In the middle of the night,
>
> Your complete and utter contempt for women is astounding.
Are you alleging that the millions of babies born to unmarried
women who are on, or go on welfare are all due to some reason
OTHER than the women wilfully putting themselves at risk for
becomming pregnant?
There are only 3 ways to consider how a welfare moms
come about:
a) rape (In the US, only a handful of live births per year)
b) as a result of the woman's VOLOUNARY behavior
c) Evil fairy making a midnight visit, wielding a Magic Baby Wand.
Scientific research indicates thus far that the incidence
of scenario is precisely ZERO.
Or do you have evidence in your posession supporting the
existance of evil fairies tapping unsespecting women on the
forehead with Magic Baby Wands?
>
> >1. Loren is resorting to lies again. Social Security is an off-budget
> >Item. 2/3 of the budget is spent on various "Rob to productive to
> >give to the lazy, irresponsible, and drug-addicted" schemes.
>
> Education, health, law enforcement and defence are not just for the
> "lazy, irresponsible and drug-addicted".
1. you have no right to Education.
2. You have no right to health care.
3. You have no right to law enforcement...BUT...the law
enforcement agencies plus courts and jails are
constitutionally mandated. And as long as the
government is not kidnapping people to make them
prison guards, police officers, or judges, then
nobody's rights are violated here.
>
> Your desire to see these people suffer appears to be clouding your judgement.
My main concern is that artificially extending their lives, and
providing for their high rates of reproduction are causing GREAT
amounts of suffering for the rest of society, whom these people
murder and steal from.
I see no reason for society to waste resources on the self-destructive.
If they choose a life that leads to an early death, so be it.
>
> You seem so desperate to inflict pain on these people that the possibility
> that innocent people suffer as a result escapes you.
Absolutely not. EVERYBODY is free to choose a path of self
sufficiency. Those who choose to lollygag around at my expense
are worthy of contempt, not compassion.
Those who are financially insolvent, and choose to fuck around
and have kids, and then insist that *I* pay for their kids
are worthy of contempt, not compassion.
>
> >> follwed by the military and Treasury-bill dividends. I'd *love* to see
> >
> >The military is constitutionally mandated, asshole
>
> It may well be, but if there's no revenue, then that won't help.
The Constitution authorizes excise taxes and duties precisely
for that purpose.
>
> >> Furthermore, in the absence of taxes, one would have to pay
> >> bills, so it's not clear that one has really gained anything.
> >
> >Another strew man. What part of "replace the INCOME tax with a
> >SALES tax" do you not fucking understand?
>
> You were advocating head taxes previously, and then conceded that the head
> tax is so monumentally stupid that it would have to be eliminated. Sales
> taxes were tacked on as an after thought.
I advocated BOTH, in tandem. YOU ****CHOSE**** to ignore the
Sales tax....and now you are claiming I never mentioned it.
>
> >Let's take.....blue-blood Republican Jay Rockefeller, for example.
> >
> >He's living off of grandpa's money.
>
> Which was taxed when he (grandpa) earned it. And taxed again when it was
> inherited.
True. It's still a lousy system, though. The reason is that
it builds a great-affinity with freeloaders of all wealth levels.
>
> > He makes..what..$70,000/year
> >as a Senator (give or take a few)...that is his taxable income.
>
> The inheritence is also taxed. Quite steeply ( probably more than 50% )
True. The problem is, the inheritance tax is destructive to
small businesses because the heirs usually have to liquidate the
business to pay the inheritance taxes. This is utterly stupid.
The best way to go about it would be to eliminate the inheritance
tax entirely, and replace it with a sales tax.
>
> >more than $70,000 each year. His taxes are completely out of line
>
> Aside from the fact that you are wrong, the right way to tax people who
> inherit is obviously to just tax inheritence.
We have 80 years of data which show that the inheritance tax
is destructive to small businesses, and hurts not only the
heirs who inherit the business, but all employees as well.
> Why be obscure and hit them through a sales tax ?
See above. It makes a LARGE tax bill due at one time.
Sales taxes institute a "pay as you go" model, as opposed
to the "accumulate a gargantuan bar tab" model.
>
> >You're absolutely full of shit, Loren. The current system is
> >completely indefensible.
>
> The current system works, and it works quite well. It arguably
> works better than any other system.
Winning a race where all of the other vehicles have fouled
sparkplugs is hardly an accomplishment.
> And the funny thing is, not
> long ago, you were defending the system while Loren attacked it.
I defend the DIFFERENCES between what aspects of capitalism
we do have opposed to the communist system Loren seeks.
Inheritence taxes are a Communist precept. So is the
system of accelerated income taxes. So is the concept of
giving handouts to "the poor" (this last point is only a way
of getting the undisciplined rabble onto the bandwagon.
Once the system is actually established, the rug is pulled
out from under them...yes, they do end up working, just like
the rest of the population...but the cost is decreased standard
of living for everyone, and massive restrictions upon everybody's
personal and economic rights.
>
> > It punishes high-income/low-burden-to-society
>
> Again, you abuse the word "punish". This word implies that hardship is
> imposed on these people.
If you work all your life for something...no matter how frivolous
it is, if I come and take it from you, then I am inflicting
punishment upon you.
Are you saying that if a millionaire is given a $100,000 fine
by a court, that he has not been punished, because he still
has $900,000 left?
WRONG WRONG WRONG. $100,000 is $100,000, and the PUNISHMENT
has deprived him the use of that $100,000.
> Can you demonstrate that these people are really
> suffering as a result of government policy ? I don't hear about refugees
> leaving the US to "escape punishment".
The really rich keep as much money as possible in places like
the Caymen Islands. they live here *physically*, but financially,
they have chosen to no longer participate in the system here.
>
> >people for the benefit of low-income/high-burden-to-society people.
> >
> >Only a SADISTIC ASSHOLE LIKE YOURSELF can defend such a system.
>
> He may be both sadistic and an asshole, but you haven't made a strong
> case for either assertion.
He who does not work, neither shall he eat.
>
> >How much are the Kennedy assholes contributing to society (other
> >than the entertainment value of watching people with more money
> >than brains concoct not-so-bright ways of removing themselves from
> >the gene poool.)
>
> I don't know. Inheritence either is or should be taxed.
The best way to do it is through sales taxes. Inheritance
taxes destroy small businesses, causing great distress to
everyone involved (including ordinary employees who end up
being unemployed because the heirs have to liquidate the
business).
>
> >> However, the parents can promise a *big* gift of money -- as long
> >> as their kids can attend.
> >
> >Woooooooooooohoo. Another telling insight into the twisted, sadistic
> >mind of wannabe-Dicator-For-Life LOREN COMMUNIST PETRICH.
>
> Laugh all you like. My mother used to teach, and she was given a list
> of the kids names, and information regarding to what degree the child
> could be disciplined. This was based on the parents power and influence.
> Oh, private school, of course.
Sounds like a pretty unethical school...more concerned about money
then educating the children. Of course, on the other hand, there
may also have been an understanding that certain children would,
if they got past a certain point, suffer great discipline from the
parents themselves.
In any event, that is ONE school.
>
> >So? What you are saying is... if presented with the option of
> >lowering academic and behavior standards....you, LOREN PETRICH would
> >sell out the student body for your lust of money.....provided the
> >payoff is big enough.
>
> The real sellouts are those that are unwilling to fund a decent education
> system.
Money has very little to do with education.
Detroit, Michigan has one of the highest per-pupil expenditures
in the entire country. The taxpayers of Detroit are paying
TREMENDOUS amount of money...and getting nothing in return.
For example: My tuition, as an OUT OF STATE student at Purdue
(that is, NONE of my tuition or fees were taxpayer subsidized)
only cost $5,200/year. Conversely, the Detroit Public Schools
spend over $8,000/pupil each year.
The pride and joy of the Detroit Public Schools is Cass Technical
High School (named after the first governor of Michigan). Although
a public school, it has competitive entry, like a private school.
The place is a joke. I've worked with graduates of Cass Tech,
and most of them were real duds.
>
> >Threatening to put me in jail for not contributing to the charity
> >of YOUR choice, denying me the right to contribute that money to the
> >charity of MY choice is EXTORTION.
>
> Cut the crap. You weren't going to give it to any charity -- the charity
> could give the money to a "low life" or a "lazy freeloader".
>
> >Ever notice who whenever I make a really telling comment about
> >the basic methods used by the Communists, Loren always attempts
> >to stifle further discussion of the idea.
>
> Absurd and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. Until you bring some
> factual evidence to support your absurd claims to the table, there is
> nothing to discuss.
>
> >Name ONE COUNTRY where the communists have taken over where they
> >did not replace all the teachers.
>
> That's not supporting evidence. Why not ?
> because you have no evidence that it's happening here
>
> >they did....and to make sure that the old teachers didn't return,
> >the standard practice was to slaughter the teachers in cold blood,
> >and to leave the bodies in the center of town.
>
> Oh -- so we do have a causal relation. In all communist countries, teachers
> are slaughtered publically in cold blood. I don't know aboput you, but I
> haven't seen any bodies in the street lately. Therefore your claim that the
> same is happening in the US is simply wrong, by your own claims. IOW,
> you are contradicting yourself.
>
> >> And Europe seems to have escaped that. As have the better US schools.
> >
> >The "better US schools" are those not run by the government,
> >nor dependant upon government bribe^H^H^H^H^Hgrants.
>
> Completely wrong.
>
> (*) Some of the top schools in the US are public.
that doesn't make the funding mechanism ethical.
> (*) The top private schools are usually better funded than the top
> public schools.
And all of them (Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, MIT) are ranked ahead
of the best public shools.
> (*) Most of the schools in Europe are better than most of the private
> schools in the US.
That's because they don't have a core of communist-agitating
adherents who are doing anything possible to cause their
societies to collapse from within. Conversely, there is a
very active and aggresive campaign to cause US society to
collapse from within by sabotaging the education system at
all levels.
>
> >Wrong. Both families consist of nothing but parasitic scum, who
> >pay nary a penny in taxes while being a great burden to society.
>
> Wrong.
Name one Kennedy or Rockefeller who isn't a parasite.
>
> >> What they've benefited from is *inherited* wealth, and a
> >> transition from income taxes to sales taxes would *not* make that go away.
> >
> >Actually, SALES TAXES are the best inheritence tax there is.
>
> No, it's not. It taxes consumption. You can inherit without consuming,
You can do only two things:
1) Invest (which benefits society)
or
2) Consume
> especially if you inherit assets ( for example, a house ). An inherited
> house bypasses a consumption tax, but doesn't make it past an inheritence
> tax.
This is precisely what is WRONG with an inheritance tax.
Say you have a very well-house built constructed in 1850.
Several owners die. Between 1850 and 2000, lets say 5 owners
die. Thus, despite the fact that no additional resources have
gone into this building, it is taxed at 100% of it's value
on 5 seperate occasions! (and at a fucking ridiculous rate
at that.)
>
> --
> Donovan
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE2 Yahooo!!!
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:03:14 -0400
"Cihl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Well, I was goofing around with KDE2beta3 on a test machine and WOW, now
> > its running on my desktop. The KDE2 team is doing a GREAT job. I already
> > like the Koffice better than StarOffice or Corel. Much better support
> > for Gnome apps.... I'm looking forward to playing and getting to know
> > the new features!!!
> >
> > Konqueror! YES!
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> I've tried the Caldera LTP and the Red Hat 7.0 preview.
>
> On LTP, KDE2 was a built from somewhere in may. It couldn't even draw
> the screen correctly. All broken lines and shifted borders and bad
> maximizing (MANDATORY). And if i would as much as POINT at it i'd get
> a core-dump window. (Which is quite nice in itself, considering that
> KDE1 doesn't have one at all. It just closes)
Beta 3 is an equivalent jump forward from beta 2 as beta 2 is from beta 1.
It never dumped on me at all, just was really slow and would hang,
presumably because of my qtlib funnies (see elsewhere in this thread.) The
Kmail client DID core dump on me though, even just letting it sit there.
Needs a little work there.
>
> And i've seen KOffice too. It's indeed very nice. KWord comes across
> to me more like a DTP-package than a standard word processor, like
> WordPerfect. These packages are very fast to start up and operate,
> too.
I'm looking forward to playing with it.
>
> On the Red Hat 7.0 preview was KDE2beta2 (or, at least, i think). Now
> that one was MUCH better. It drew all the widgets correctly (phew). It
> was WAY faster and wouldn't bomb nearly as much. But logging in was
> considerably slower than the previous one. :(
>
> I hope they get it completely (or mostly) stabilized for the final
> release. Logging in should really be a lot faster than it is now. (or,
> was, in at least beta2)
> And i hope that with Konqueror, the Linux community finally gets a
> good web-browser. (I haven't tried Galeon yet, is that one any good?)
>
> I really like how you can customize certain important parts of the
> Linux-system in these new releases. It'll surely make transition frmo
> another OS much easier. KDE2 also certainly LOOKS a lot better than
> KDE1. That was really all the KDE users still needed; the good looks.
> :)
I never had a problem with how KDE1 looked. KDE2 seems infinitely
customizable, much moreso than KDE1. I really don't care, I just want it to
run fast and be easy to configure and be stable. That's all :o) KDE1 was all
that for me. I just hope I don't have to throw more silicon at my Linux
machine just to run KDE. If that happens, I'll go back to WindowMaker.
--
Rich C.
"Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
intelligent, until you hear them speak."
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:01:54 -0400
Matt Kennel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 03:03:37 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :The Supreme Court is just a collection of people, some of whom
> :care not the slightest for what the Constitution means, in
> :preference for how they can distort the words to their own
> :statist ideals.
> :
> :If the Supreme Court rules that "The pursuit of happiness" justifies
> :rape, would that make it so?
> :
> :Obviously not.
> :
> :Thus, it is evident that the SC is not the ultimate bearer of truth,
> :but merely yet another political body, which can hand down any
> :sort of nonsense which they so choose.
>
> The Constitutional Convention was another political body which handed
> down some sort of nonsense that they chose.
The Constitution didn't have ANY meaning until AFTER ratification
by all of the states.
Consent of the governed is the primary principle at work.
The fact that only a very small minority of the US population
traces its lineage to those who were here during the Revolution
is the Ultimate testimony of consent of the governed....that
generations of immigrants have literally risked death (1800's
transatlantic travel was something of a crapshoot) right up until
today to be under the jurisdiction of the US government
is an undeniable act of consent.
Remember, the boat that Elian Gonzales was on. yes, even in
1999, people DIED trying to escape a communist country to reach
our system of individual liberty and (partial) capitalism.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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