Linux-Advocacy Digest #233, Volume #31 Thu, 4 Jan 01 01:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OEditors: Xedit vs. vi or emacs ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would Linux be invented if? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Hatred? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Uptimes ("JSPL")
Re: Could only... (Charlie Ebert)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:57:40 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Todd wrote:
> >>
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:92tuuv$vkf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > In article <92tmli$ojd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > hackerbabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > > A quote from http://microsoft.aynrand.org/hate.html, referring to why
> >> > > Microsoft has been persecuted in the anti-trust trial:
> >> > >
> >> > > "There is only one fundamental reason why great businessmen [like Bill
> >> > > Gates]
> >> >
> >> > ...or Al Capone, or Manuel Noriega, or John Gotti...
> >> >
> >> > > or great companies [like Microsoft]
> >> >
> >> > ... or the Mafia, or the Medellin cartel, or the Hell's Angels...
> >> >
> >> > > are hated, and it has
> >> > > nothing to do with so-called monopolies. [Microsoft is] hated . . .
> >> > > because [it is] good, that is, smarter, more visionary, more creative,
> >> > > more tenacious, more action-focused, more ambitious, and more
> >> > > successful than everyone else.
> >> >
> >> > Bullshit. It's because they fucking broke the law.
> >>
> >> Nope... appeals *will* overturn the verdict.
> >
> >
> >You fucking dumbass. MS did NOT appeal the verdict.
> > They appealed the SENTANCE.
> >
> >They're guilty as sin, and they know it.
> >They're just pissed that the judge handed down punishment which
> >will actually put a stop the the criminal activity.
> >
> >
> >> MS did not break the law.
> >
> >That strange...by failing to appeal the finding of guilt,
> >MS's lawyers admit that, in fact, MS DID BREAK THE LAW.
> >( 60 counts, no less!)
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -Todd
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent via Deja.com
> >> > http://www.deja.com/
> >
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
>
> I end up having to explain this to WINTROL'S EITHER ON OR OFF COLA!
>
> Microsoft HAS BEEN CONVICTED. Their TRIAL IS OVER.
>
> What Microsoft is trying to do is just what ARK is saying here,
> they are appealing their sentence. They are not asking for a
> re-trial but rather they are appealing their sentence.
>
> And because people are confused as to whether or not this is
> a re-trial, many people believe the charges will be reversed.
> If it WERE a re-trial this might actually happen with luck.
>
> But since it is NOT a re-trial then Microsoft is actually going
> to get split up. And this is why you've seen all those newstories
> from various editors and other authors about the impact of the
> MICROSOFT BREAKUP as it's impending.
>
> There is nothing which will change this.
heh heh heh.
Maybe Extorionist Gates will commit suicide rather than watch
his ill-gotten empire collapse.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: OEditors: Xedit vs. vi or emacs
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:58:25 -0500
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > NOTHING is intuitive....especially computers and software.
> >
>
> So, that means you should try to make it as convoluted as possible?
Apparently that's what you and the authors of Xedit think.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:00:11 -0500
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> >
> > Notice how Gary snipped the part where I was chastised for not
> > having read the 3270 manual.
> >
>
> Really? Where were you chastised for not reading the 3270 manual?
What...you can't even remember what the fuck you wrote?
> I
> suggested that you read the manual first before blaming xedit developers for
> something that they could not control.
so, now you are repeated the assertion that I should read the 3270
manual while denying that you ever said it.
Hint fucking hint: it's best to not contradict yourself within
the space of a paragraph.
>
> Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would Linux be invented if?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:01:42 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Donn Miller wrote:
> >You forgot Plan 9. When I had this particular interview, the person
> >doing the hiring said that Windows NT is easier to use than unix. He
> >also said that a lot of software was being ported to Windows from unix,
> >so that makes it a good reason to switch. (*Shrugs*. This is a good
> >reason to switch?!) Departments switching from unix to NT also cite
> >that fact that Windows has the great clipboard thingie, and that you can
> >do all kinds of sophisticated OLE stuff with it. For example, if you do
> >some analysis with engineering software, you can select the data, or
> >click on a graph for example, and select "copy" from the menu. And --
> >get this -- brace yourself -- Windows' clipboard is so neat and
> >ulta-sophisticated, it allows you to select what kind of data you'd like
> >to paste into your document. For example, you can select "plain text",
> >"word document", and "bitmap". Dammit, X11 doesn't have anything near
> >this sophisticated, so I suppose that automatically makes Windows NT
> >better. Besides, they say, unix isn't a good OS to use unless you are
> >doing intensive computational projects, or running a server.
>
> I wonder what people would think about this idea.
>
> If there were no Microsoft and Windows was never invented.
>
> If we still had Novel and Apple battling it out with Unix's,
> WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN LINUX?
>
> I think the answer to that is YES.
>
> Linus mastered Linux because he wanted a replacement for Minix.
>
> Linus had no vision of conquering Microsoft at all. This was
> never his objective.
>
> Isn't it funny how all those companies who HAD OBJECTIVES to
> conquer Windows failed and the one who was just playing one
> year with a kernel with NO AMBITIONS WHAT-SO-EVER will be
> the one to topple Microsoft.
Thus, QUALITY was the primary goal, instead of marketing.
High quality sells itself.
>
> This is the work of god.
No...its the work of quality.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 05:06:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
>Unix *IS* object oriented. It has been so ever since its inception.
>
>The only thing is, back in 1970, the term "object oriented" didn't
>exist.
>
>So...in Unix, objects are called "files". Every file in Unix is
>actually an object.
>
>
Well. Microsoft is object oriented also. Their object is appearently
to remove little green peices of paper from your rear end and insert
something else.
And this brings us to the term "STREAM" which was also first invented
to describe dataflows in C during the same 1970 time frame.
Charlie
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From: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:12:24 -0500
Reply-To: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said JSPL in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:38:40 -0500;
> [...]
> >> > The only stats I know of about web server useage is Netcraft, and
Netcraft
> >> > doesn't count sites. It counts hostnames. My website has 5
hostnames in
> >> > the global DNS and it's a single server. The numbers do not state
what you
> >> > think they do.
> >>
> >> What do you think the numbers state?
> >
> >They state just what he said.
> >To put it another way - It's like trying to figure out the apple tree
ratio
> >in an orchard by simply standing in the barn counting and sorting the
> >varieties that were picked.
>
> With a large enough orchard, and a workable value for relative apple
> production for each variety, this is really very trivial to determine.
> Notice that you have no need to know:
>
> a) the total number of trees
> b) the precise number of apples per tree (an average is actually
> preferable)
> c) the size or reliability of the barn
Then you admit that you will need a workable value for total domain names
(apples) on each server (apple tree) now wouldn't you? Netcraft has no way
of knowing this do they? Therefore they have no way of knowing if those
100,000 sites they added to the Linux column came from 100,000 servers - or
1.
HEY!!! Maybe they get the info on how many domain names a server is hosting
by looking at the IP header.....or "network characteristics" ....yea that's
the ticket.....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 05:18:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
We are on a roll tonight!
>kiwiunixman wrote:
>>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>> > kiwiunixman wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, you're right, nothing will happen until a leader with a bit of
>> >> backbone, grabs the US by the balls and drags it out of the gun crazed
>> >> culture that has bred itself into the US citizens sub conscience.
>> >
>> >
>> > Guns are freedom and safety.
>> >
>> > Look at Australia...they banned guns, and the murder rate TRIPLED.
>> >
>> > This indicates that private ownership of guns PREVENTS more murders
>> > than it causes.
>> Same program implemented in New Zealand and the murder rate has gone
>> down. SO your simplistic approach has failed, or are you one of those
>> sick, gun crazed yobbo who belongs to the NRA.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> Unfortunately this will not happen until the the election system is
>> >> overhalled so that scumbag organisations like Microsoft and the NRA keep
>> >> out politics and that elections are based on policies, not, "oh, I'm not
>> >
>> >
>> > Preserving the right to gun ownership *IS* a policy.
>> >
>> > Read "The Federalist Papers", and you will understand the US Constitution,
>> > and PRECISELY why the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is spelled out within it.
>> Yet even after the mass murders carried out at schools in America,
>> nothing still hasn't been learnt.
>
>Actually, we learned several things:
>
>1. Outlawing things doesn't prevent criminal behavior.
> It is illegal for minors to carry pistols
True
> It is illegal to have firearms on school grounds
True
> It is illegal to brandish a weapon
No. You can carry a loaded six gun strapped to your side right into
the state capital of several states and not be arrested.
The term is CONCEALED WEAPON and in that case several states also
have CONCEALED WEAPON PERMITS to do just that also.
All quite legal.
> It is illegal to discharge a weapon with the city limits (of most cities)
I haven't heard of a city which allows it, but you never know.
> It is illegal to discharge a weapon with the intent to murder
> another human being.
We could shorten this to it's illegal to murder.
But it is definitely not illegal to hose down a burglar, or intruder on
your own premises in over 1/2 the states of this nation.
>
>All of those activities WERE ALREADY ILLEGAL....so, exactly *what*
>would another law do, exactly?
>
Nothing. I often MARVEL at our seatbelt laws. Or how about the
ones which force you to buckle up on an aircraft.
We even have a new felony law which states if you travel more than
1/4 mile from the red lights of a police vehicle OR you turn off
on another street or exit a highway while being followed by a
police vehicle with it's red's on, you are automatically guilty
of a felony. Not seeing the lights is no excuse.
>Do you think it would have prevent those with criminal intent from
>getting weapons? If you believe that, you're insane.
>
You can buy almost any kind of pistol at your local truckstop for
under $300.
>Heroin, Cocaine, Marijuana, PCP, Ecstasy, Methamphetamines, etc. are
>already illegal in the USA...and yet, they are everywhere...in fact,
>the price of illicit drugs IN HIGH SECURITY PRISONS is no higher
>than out on the streets.
>
Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
> CONTRABAND LAWS DO NOT WORK.
>At least not in the US. We have too many miles of coastline.
>
They didn't work in the Soviet Union for christ sakes.
What would make any moron think they could work in the U.S. I don't
know.
>As for guns...the AK-47 is designed to be manufactured by primitive
>societies with a MUCH lower level of technology than the Average
>American can obtain with $5000 of machine-shop equipment.
>
But why bother when you can just get one for $10 in Africa.
>Any policy which relies upon contraband laws is idiotic.
>
Totally true.
>Any policy which relies upon contraband laws against devices that
>can be manufactured in someone's basement are insane.
>
Totally true again.
>
>
>> Yes, we do have guns in New Zealand
>> (because some people see it as one of their interests, and I respect
>> that), however, we have laws surrounding how they are kept etc. For
>
>How many criminals obey such laws?
>
The secret here is if criminals obeyed the law then they wouldn't
be criminals. That's why we have the terms "criminal" and "citizen"
seperated.
>> example, a person who owns a gun, must have it locked in a safe place to
>> ensure that it is out of the reach of kiddies and undesirable
>> characters.
>
>How many undesirable characters obey such laws?
>
None.
>> If you fail to hear to this requirement, you are liable for
>> any damage that occurs if the gun is stolen and was not safely stored.
>
>How many undesirable characters obey such laws?
>
None.
>
>>
>> We maybe a shitty little country in the south pacific and that 99% of
>> American youth don't know wheren the hell it is, but at least we have
>> out shit together.
>
>Well, you are turning away from Socialism...but, any man who is
>prohibited from carrying a weapon to defend himself is only a serf.
>
Anybody who lives in a nation which doesn't trust it's own citizens
to carry a firearm is living in a dictatorship or a communist country.
You have no freedoms. Don't think you have freedoms if you can't
even carry a lousy pistol.
>Gun control laws are merely a re-establishment of the medieval class
>system: The elite get to arm themselves, while the un-washed masses
>are targets for crime.
>
>
I think it's merely a setup for a total police state where
"criminals" and "citizens" don't exist seperately.
I am 100% in favor of banning all financial aid and military support
for countries which don't even support the right for their own
citizens to bear arms.
If the government doesn't trust it's citizens to carry their own
arms then what kind of government do you have?
Charlie
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