Linux-Advocacy Digest #619, Volume #28 Thu, 24 Aug 00 15:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: Just converted ("Raul Iglesias")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joe Ragosta)
IBM releases SashXB on Gnome.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joe Ragosta)
Re: Programs for Linux ("P�man Malekzadeh")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joe Ragosta)
Re: Just converted (Stephen Patterson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:07:18 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:59:33 GMT...
...and Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
> >It was the Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:57:34 GMT...
> >...and Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >I see. I would say, "sure, here you have linux, I will
> >> >now go work on my nice 'geekos' here" :-)
> >>
> >> I don't know why but I 'heard' this in my head in Eric
> >> Cartmen's voice:-).
> >
> >You don't happen to mean Eric "All By Myself" Carmen?
> >
>
> Um, I don't think so.
>
> South Park's Eric Cartmen (or is it Cartman?).
>
> You know, "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home"
Ah. Of course. The E was puzzling me. It's Cartman. The quote didn't
tell me anything, over here South Park is dubbed in German.
mawa
--
Whatever Dilbert says - this world is not peopled by pointy-haired
bosses, marketing droids and couch-potato TV addicts alone.
Common sense will eventually win out.
-- mawa, on an optimistic day
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:11:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <8o13e4$21d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > -- snip --
> > >
> > > > > > If the Republicans did all the work to balance the budget,
> > > > > > why are they trying to damn hard to unbalance it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you, ZnU, smoking large amounts of crack before writing
> > > > > to USENET?
> > > >
> > > > Are you really denying this? In just the last few months the
> > > > Republicans have tried to pass two tax cuts that would
> > > > eliminate or significantly reduce the surplus, and Bush wants
> > > > to take things even farther.
> > >
> > > When did you get it into your head that having a surplus
> > > indicates having a balanced budget? No, either way, surplus or
> > > deficit, the budget is not balanced. It's only balanced when
> > > expenditures equal revenues.
> > >
> > > If that's what the Republicans seek, then what's the problem? I
> > > sure as hell don't want the gov't sitting on *my* money, interest
> > > free. I'd rather spend it on something nice, rather than letting
> > > Dems spend it for me.
> >
> > It isn't really a surplus, it's just money they haven't decided
> > what to do with yet. Gore wants better education, targeted tax cuts
> > for the less fortunate, better healthcare and debt reduction. Bush
> > wants tax breaks for his rich friends and unnecessary defense
> > spending.
>
> Typical Democratic thinking:
>
> "We took more money than we really need to provide the services that
> we've agreed to provide. But that's not excess money that should be
> returned. It's really the government's money and we'll find a way to
> spend it.
>
> Sad
Not when there's a $5,600,000,000,000 national debt. Using the money to
pay that down ends up saving taxpayer money in the long run. It would
also be nice if social security didn't collapse. You know, so all those
people paying into it for years will actually get something back.
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Subject: Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:16:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>>Sounds like you and I would get along well in that respect. I never
>>fit into any 'demographic' growing up. I listened to heavy metal, but
>>didn't fit with the metal-heads 'cause I was too 'geeky', didn't fit
>>with the geeks 'cause I played guitar, didn't fit with the people that
>>played guitar 'cause I didn't smoke or drug myself up, didn't fit with
>>the . . . .
>>
>
>Interesting - all much the same - except I play the piano not the
>guitar :) (I was a major Queen fan).
Actually i went through a lot (I mean A LOT) of musical
instruments before I 'settled' on guitar. A short list:
Violin (which stemmed into Viola and Cello), upright Bass,
Electric Bass, Guitar, Piano, Harmonica (OK, some would
say that doesn't count), Saxophone, Flute, and Drums.
I'm sure there were some others during my 'experimental'
years (I just experimented with musical instruments
instead of drugs, and probably spent just as much money as
the junkies did:-).
Lately I've been getting back into the violin (still
fairly portable) and occassionally pounding the keys
(I have a piano my great grandma gave me when I was young
that was manufactured in the late 1800's). I enjoyed
Queen a little, and I really like bands that mix styles
(Trans Siberian Orchestra is one of my favs at the moment).
>
>>I guess that's one of the reasons I levitated into the Linux/BSD/*nix
>>arena so easily. It wasn't unusual for me to think of things a little
>>differently from the 'norm'. It just fit me.
>>
>
>I've found over the years it's largely advantageous to be able to see
>things from a different/self-formed viewpoint. Helps in all sorts of
>ways.
Yeah, it helps you to laugh at yourself when you realize
you are taking something too seriously. You see yourself
acting like the morons that called you an 'outcast'
growing up and think, "Whoah, ease up there pard."
Of course, it also helps with a lot of other things, but
that's one of my personal favorite things about it.
Zealotry can only take you so far.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:19:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > I'm certainly for reforming the system. But starving it for cash is
> > _not_ the way to do that.
>
> It's the only way to do it. You call it "starving it for cash" others call
> it reducing government waste. A businessman would be in prison if he
> mismanaged his finances as poorly as government does.
If you starve it to death, millions of people who have been paying in
won't get anything out. That's straight-out theft. The Libertarian party
wants to deal with this by selling off federal government assets en
masse. Bush hasn't explained how he plans to deal with it.
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: "Raul Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just converted
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:26:07 GMT
> I've been using Linux for about 2 years now, on and off (mainly off). I
> recently completed a college project which got me using and adjusting
Linux
> a lot. Just after finishing this, I looked at my computer usage and found
> a) Linux is more reliable than windows
> b) Everything I had previously done in windows could be done in Linux with
> an appropriate set of applications
> c) Linux internet access was regularly twice as fast as windows.
No one that had used GNU/Linux would say nothing against that, but
honestly
answer how much time did you spend fixing it ? (I do not mean now, when you
already have learnt to do it).
> So, i'm another satisfied user though I keep windows around to support
> legacy games and family.
Well, no matter why ... you keep it ...
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:24:34 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And spending more than Gore on things like (broken) missile
> > > > > defense.
> > > >
> > > > And spending less than Gore on broken things like social security and
> > > > government health care.
> > >
> > > These social programs are broken mostly because the Republican congress
> > > refuses to fund them properly.
> >
> > I consider Social Security to be fundamentally broken. Look at what it
> > was originally supposed to do... provide for a few years of
> > retirement... and look at what it's being asked to do today with an
> > increasing aging population and significantly longer lifespans. Social
> > Security should be largely terminated. I would support some sort of
> > program to protect people on fixed incomes from runaway inflation during
> > hard times, but not what we have now.
>
> I'm certainly for reforming the system. But starving it for cash is
> _not_ the way to do that.
>
> > > > And of course even Gore is going to spend money on that broken
> > > > missile defense program.
> > >
> > > Yes, and that's bad. But Gore wants a more scaled back version.
> >
> > Maybe you should throw your support behind Nader instead of Gore.
>
> I would if I thought he had a chance.
>
Have you no convictions to vote for what you truly believe in?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:34:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Troughton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:15:38 GMT, ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >> Chad
> > >> Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [deletia]
> > >> A month or so later, I walked in when our secretary was discussing
> > >> women's health care with her. She had spent some time in England,
> > >> and
> > >> she complained about how some man high-up in the bureacracy set the
> > >> rules on how often the government-supported health plan would let a
> > >> woman get some basic exams. It was much less often than the medical
> > >> community considers adequate, and she spouted off about the evils of
> > >> government-directed health plans where men make ill-informed
> > >> decisions
> > >> about women's health.
> > >
> > >Yeah, that's much worse than private health plans where men make very
> > >well informed decisions about corporate profits, with little regard
> > >for
> > >anyone's health.
> >
> > However, there remains at least the theoretical possibility
> > to sue a corporation. No such alternative exists for the
> > governemnt. Corporations, as large as they are, are simply
> > easier to bully into behaiving reasonably.
>
> Huh? You mean you _can't_ sue the government in the US? Man, that's
> weird...
Actually, you can. But they have to agree to let you do it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IBM releases SashXB on Gnome.org
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:33:33 GMT
Sash can be thought of as technology that maps the native Application
Programming Interfaces (API's) provided by an operating system and it's
particular Graphical User Interfaces to ones that are abstracted and
straightforward enough to be useful to web page developers who use
HTML, JavaScript and XML. It uses the Mozilla Gecko HTML layout
engine, the Xerces XML parser and a number of Gnome components as its
primitives.
Page at Gnome.org
http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/sashxb/?
open&=253,t=gr,p=SashXB
Original Sash at alphaWorks
http://sash.alphaworks.ibm.com/?open&=cola,t=gr,p=Sash
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:40:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <8o13e4$21d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -- snip --
> > > >
> > > > > > > If the Republicans did all the work to balance the budget,
> > > > > > > why are they trying to damn hard to unbalance it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you, ZnU, smoking large amounts of crack before writing
> > > > > > to USENET?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you really denying this? In just the last few months the
> > > > > Republicans have tried to pass two tax cuts that would
> > > > > eliminate or significantly reduce the surplus, and Bush wants
> > > > > to take things even farther.
> > > >
> > > > When did you get it into your head that having a surplus
> > > > indicates having a balanced budget? No, either way, surplus or
> > > > deficit, the budget is not balanced. It's only balanced when
> > > > expenditures equal revenues.
> > > >
> > > > If that's what the Republicans seek, then what's the problem? I
> > > > sure as hell don't want the gov't sitting on *my* money, interest
> > > > free. I'd rather spend it on something nice, rather than letting
> > > > Dems spend it for me.
> > >
> > > It isn't really a surplus, it's just money they haven't decided
> > > what to do with yet. Gore wants better education, targeted tax cuts
> > > for the less fortunate, better healthcare and debt reduction. Bush
> > > wants tax breaks for his rich friends and unnecessary defense
> > > spending.
> >
> > Typical Democratic thinking:
> >
> > "We took more money than we really need to provide the services that
> > we've agreed to provide. But that's not excess money that should be
> > returned. It's really the government's money and we'll find a way to
> > spend it.
> >
> > Sad
>
> Not when there's a $5,600,000,000,000 national debt. Using the money to
> pay that down ends up saving taxpayer money in the long run. It would
Which is why Bush allocates 25% of the surplus to paying down the
national debt.
Unlike the Democrats who will spend all of the surplus on "essential
government programs".
> also be nice if social security didn't collapse. You know, so all those
> people paying into it for years will actually get something back.
Which shows nothing except that you don't understand Social Security.
You're not paying "into" Social Security. You're paying the benefits of
current retirees.
The money you collect, if any, will come from your children and anyone
else working while you're retired.
The idea that there's a pile of money waiting for you when you retire is
a myth. A very damaging myth.
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From: "P�man Malekzadeh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Programs for Linux
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:38:58 -0400
What kind of certified linux admin are you??
Starbuck Zero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I say get Mandrake then. =)
>
> Nick wrote:
>
> > Hello all, to start off, I'd like to tell you what this is about. I am a
> > certified Linux Admin, and I have several
> > issues about programs for Linux that I would like to talk about. Just to
> > clarify to all of the dull-brained argumentative people (you know who
you
> > are): I am using Windows to write this.
> >
> > I like Linux, I think it's the coolest OS in the world, however any OS
needs
> > programs to make it popular. If I was just going to be an Internet
Junkie,
> > Linux is fine. I can listen to my multimedia files, I can chat on ICQ,
and I
> > can surf the web. However, I can not do the productive things I want to
do.
> >
> > First off, I want to be able to do lots of CAD, and I want to use my CAD
> > work to design electronic devices. Print blueprints... et cetera.
> >
> > Another thing I would like to is Advanced 3D modeling and other 3D
imaging.
> > Perhaps I want to make a model of something I want to build, or make a
3D
> > computer-animated cartoon.
> >
> > I want to compose MIDI files. Nuff said.
> >
> > I want to use IEEE 1394 to edit videos.
> >
> > I want to make Employee Identification Cards with a plastic card
printer.
> > Just like the one they have at the local YMCA to make member cards.
> >
> > If you know of some post-development applications that can do these
things,
> > tell us all!!!
> > You can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > If not, guys and gals, we need to get busy programming!
> >
> > --NSC--
> > _The Liquid Linux Project_
> >
> > Posted on: alt.linux, alt.os.linux, alt.os.linux.caldera,
> > alt.os.linux.mandrake, comp.os.linux, comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > comp.os.linux.questions
>
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:44:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JS/PL wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > How will AlGore "improve" education? That's the jobs of the
> > > school boards, principles, and teachers. *THEY* can improve
> > > education any time they want to, merely be re-instituting
> > > rational curricula and strong discipline within the school.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > The government cannot improve the current government provided
> > education,
> > only competition in a free market can "improve a product or service".
> > Any
> > polititian that promises to improve education is lying through his/her
> > teeth. The only way the government can "improve education" is to get
> > out of
> > the education business. Al Gore WILL NOT improve education, a school
> > board
> > will not improve education, a principal will not improve education.A
> > business in a competitive market seeking customers WILL improve
> > education.
> > A private school can teach twice as much in half the time. The way it
> > stands
> > now the government needs 12 years to teach 60% of it's students basic
> > math
> > and reading skills. That's not a good track record.
>
> Very well put.
>
> The only way to improve education is to privatize all of it...
> and the sooner the better.
>
>
> Personally, I think that sending a kid to public schools these
> days borders on child-abuse.
I disagree--pretty strongly.
There are places where one could make that statement. There are others
where it's certainly not true.
In my area, the better public schools are within a hair of the best
private schools (other than the huge cost of the private schools).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Patterson)
Subject: Re: Just converted
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:46:35 GMT
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:26:07 GMT, Raul Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've been using Linux for about 2 years now, on and off (mainly off). I
>> recently completed a college project which got me using and adjusting
>Linux
>> a lot. Just after finishing this, I looked at my computer usage and found
>> a) Linux is more reliable than windows
>> b) Everything I had previously done in windows could be done in Linux with
>> an appropriate set of applications
>> c) Linux internet access was regularly twice as fast as windows.
>
> No one that had used GNU/Linux would say nothing against that, but
>honestly
>answer how much time did you spend fixing it ? (I do not mean now, when you
>already have learnt to do it).
>
I've not actually spent much time fixing Linux, most of the adjustment and fine
tuning I've done is in installing programs that do what I want to do better
than what I already had.
>> So, i'm another satisfied user though I keep windows around to support
>> legacy games and family.
>
> Well, no matter why ... you keep it ...
>
>
>
--
If a person is FAMOUS in this country, they have to go on the ROAD for
MONTHS at a time and have their name misspelled on the SIDE of a
GREYHOUND SCENICRUISER!!
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